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| How tightly do you think the prop should bind onto the hooker? Getting square can be difficult with a very close bind... Look forward to some views
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| Too tight restricts the hooker! Remember the hooker needs to be able to twist his hips towards the put in to maximise foot contact with the ball and to see the ball entering the tunnel. I was a hooker for many a year and I preferred the tight head binding over onto my shorts therefore rotating me slightly towrds the tunnel mouth whilst the loose head would bind onto my jersey. There is nothing worse for a hooker than to be too restricted.
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 Hope this helps? Jonesy
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| Jonesy is very correct about the bind for the T/H prop on the shorts of the hooker & the hooker being free to swivel. I have found that if you get the hooker to bind as close to the props outside shoulder then this will keep the props outside shoulder square & high, & tightens the front row, but leaves the hooker free to swivel. This takes alot of strength from the hooker & a lot of practice to get right & become natural. The binding of the locks is also important, as is the bind & angle of the flankers in keeping the front row tight. I have tried using the Agrentinian method of using the outside leg of the props/locks/flankers to push into the center of the scrum. It works OK on the scrum machine when there is less pressure, but players tend to revert to type once in a full contact scrum, or under pressure in a game. Once again it down to time & practice, but will give you a very tight scrum. Check out how strong the Argentinian scrum is in recent test matches.
Ruck, Ruck, & Ruck again.
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| Do the Argentinians use the method described on their own put? I was under the impression that it is a method used on the opposition put in which causes the opposition front row to split as the pushing force is exerted outwards i.e. pushing the props away from the hooker. If mastered this is a very aggressive for of scrummaging which can intimidate the opposition.
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| I'm not a fan of too tight binding in the front row, if you know in the right place with the right grip the bind isnt going to move (your arms not stretchy) plus you can do this kind of bind again and again. I agree with the shorts bind for the THP and an under and wrap technique for LHP to allow freedon to move on your own ball but would advocate both props go for the shorts with a straight monkey grip on oposition ball. Regarding the Argi thing, when playing I found esecially at LHP that if you imagine youre driving directly at the No8 and driving up slightly its very effective. Especially on oposition ball if you use the opositions hookers foot a trigger...... Happy days!!
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| When you look at the Argentinian technique of scrummaging you must remember they work on the principle that leg power is greater than arm power. So by pushing in with the outside leg is always going to give a tighter more compact platform than just using your arms to pull the scrum tight. It also means every one in the pack is working the same way & eventually it will become automatic to have a tight scrum. It is also easier to develop strength in the legs than arms, & the leg muscles will work for longer periods than arm muscles, body dynamics dictates this as we are on our feet walking around most of our waking life. You also have to consider the body angles the Argentinians take, which mean they drive towards the center of the scrum. This squeezes the opposition hooker & THP in & pushes the LHP out, thus weakening the front row bind even more. As Jonsey mentioned, this is more effective when disrupting the opposition scrum, but if the technique is solid, then it can also be applied on your own ball. My old school games master always got us to move the scrum forward 3 inches & lock out on our put-in, this gives the hooker momentum over the ball. So you only need to apply pressure over 3 inches. The other aspect to consider when looking for a solid scrum is preparation. This means the whole 8 being bound & ready to attack theoppositionn scrum as one. You watch many teams who go into a scrum less organized than the opposition & invariably they loose the scrum. I have also played around with the flankers & locks binding as pairs, i.e. 1 lock binds with 1 flanker. These two mini pods then bind together. This depends on length of the flankers arms, but it also makes the players look at different options & think about their scrummaging.
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Having spent far too many years in the middle of the front row I'll add my bit
I have experienced props that bind in many different ways and many different levels of tightness and had to educate most of them what is needed so that I as a hooker could not only breath (very important cos like all hookers I like the sound of my own voice) but also be in a powerful scrummaging position whilst still being able to hook the ball.
To maintain his strength and dominance in the scrum the TH needs a straight body position, binding too low on his hooker may lower his left shoulder so altering that position. The hooker can help out with this by his binding position being slightly higher binding at the level of the armpit of the TH this also helps stop any downward pressure on top of the TH tricep from the hookers bind. The LH binding should be under the TH elbow so the natural bend as pressure is put on will mean that the TH bind is not popped off the TH bind should be slightly lower than the LH.
Now ignoring what those nasty boys in the opposition front row are trying to do the tightness of our scrum. The TH binding is effected by a few variables: body position; support players; strength, grip and timing of the scrum. Body position must be straight with his left hip squeezing his locks head so his right ear goes numb; support players must provide lateral pressure and forward drive (I recommend that all TH's master the skull knuckle rub to remind slack flankers and locks to push); strength, grip and timing are not constants and can vary at any point during the game especially if mental focus is lost what is important is concentration and the sequence in the binding and this really is where the answer lies to how tight binding should be.
Forming up bind should be be loose and positioning correct; when the crouch is called or made then binding should tighten up; the touch may cause a slight reposition this has to be corrected at the pause; when pause is called the bind of all players should become as tight as possible (Imagine a Scotsman holding onto a £5) and remain so through the engage and during the initial drive in the scrum after this the bind can relax a little, this should mean that the maximum power applied to binding should occur for approximately 15-20secs
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