Dan Cottrell's Better Rugby Coaching - Free weekly newsletter
The Huddle | Rugby Forum, Chat with Rugby Trainers & Professional Coaches
Click here to sign up for my FREE coaching tips email! Receive GREAT advice straight into your inbox each and every week to help you become a better rugby coach!
The Huddle is the forum of Dan Cottrell's Better Rugby Coaching website
Better Rugby Coaching
Home       Members    Calendar    Who's On
Welcome Guest ( Login | Register )
        



Tactics Clips Expand / Collapse
Author
Message
Posted 18/04/2008 13:28:29
Supreme Being

Supreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme Being

Group: Administrators
Last Login: 2 days ago @ 09:42:37
Posts: 91, Visits: 1,026
The Italian Lineout Tactic



Toby Curthoys
Publisher, Better Rugby Coaching

www.betterrugbycoaching.com

Post #733
Posted 21/04/2008 15:12:36


Forum Newbie

Forum NewbieForum NewbieForum NewbieForum NewbieForum NewbieForum NewbieForum NewbieForum Newbie

Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 07/07/2008 20:32:05
Posts: 9, Visits: 11
Well that is very interesting
Post #738
Posted 21/04/2008 19:00:53


Junior Member

Junior MemberJunior MemberJunior MemberJunior MemberJunior MemberJunior MemberJunior MemberJunior Member

Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 20/05/2008 01:39:53
Posts: 11, Visits: 41
I suggested this at a coaching course a few years ago and it was poo - pooed by the other coaches / coach ed staff at the  course, because I was a bit unsure  of using it and had limited opportunity to try it out I never used it.   The moral isn't hard to see and it's one I have learned, keep your own council and try it out, it's ideas like this that help develop the game and give you the advantage.

If you always do what you've always done

You'll always have what you've always had.

Post #739
Posted 22/04/2008 00:35:32
Forum Member

Forum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum Member

Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Yesterday @ 22:54:55
Posts: 31, Visits: 135
Even without the hooker going in to tackle the ball carrier surely the ref should have pulled up the mauls for truck and trailer?
Post #741
Posted 22/04/2008 08:47:31
Supreme Being

Supreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme Being

Group: Administrators
Last Login: 2 days ago @ 09:42:37
Posts: 91, Visits: 1,026
This is what Dan wrote about the tactic in this week's Better Rugby Coaching (www.betterrugbycoaching.com):

What do you do in the opposition's 22m when they have the lineout throw? Here's an article describing an innovative (though not unique) tactic the Italians sometimes use. I've included it today because not only is it a brave and effective tactic, but also I've found a great clip to illustrate it.

Instead of competing for the ball in the air, instead of driving into the jumper when they reach the ground, instead of pulling the jumper to the ground before a maul forms… the Italians do nothing!

As expected the opposition catch the ball and, as they've practised frequently, quickly form a "cluster" of players around the jumper. A team mate rips the ball from the jumper and moves it to the back of the "cluster", where, under usual circumstances, it would be safest.

Crucially, however, because the Italians aren't engaging there's no maul. This means their hooker can whip around behind the opposition "cluster" and tackle the ball carrier at the back. Since there's no maul, there's no offside - just confused opponents.

If you're going to try this yourself, you should note the following key points:

  • Before the game tell the referee about the tactic. It will look unusual and any referee who is caught unawares may not see it in the correct light and penalise you.
  • You must make no effort to compete for the ball at the lineout. Even better step away from the opposition. This avoids any chance of contact.
  • The tactic's best performed in their 22m area. You will lose ground, but should cause enough confusion to give you an advantage.
  • Spread your defenders in the lineout, so any efforts by the opposition to perform a peel (where the jumper pops the ball to a runner) can be thwarted.


Toby Curthoys
Publisher, Better Rugby Coaching

www.betterrugbycoaching.com

Post #742
Posted 22/04/2008 08:47:56
Supreme Being

Supreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme BeingSupreme Being

Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Yesterday @ 08:49:15
Posts: 163, Visits: 194
indeed the ref could...  usually the "tactic" these days is for an "italian" to bump into the front of the phalanx of opposition, raise his hans incredulously and look queryigly at the ref.

However, the clear interpreattion by refs at the last world cup when this tactic was seen on several occassions was to call T&T BUT award only a scrum to the "italians" for "accidental".  (I can;t comment on whether this interpretation is correct or not; you'd have to ask Paddy O'Brien).

Tacling the rear most man of the phalanx seems to me a better method of forcing pressure as it leaves the rest of the oppo forwards the wrong side of the tackle and could well  reate a turnover in open play anyway.

didds

Post #743
Posted 22/04/2008 23:44:16
Forum Member

Forum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum MemberForum Member

Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Yesterday @ 22:54:55
Posts: 31, Visits: 135
If the referee is spoken to before the game and agrees they will award at least a scrum and preferably a penalty I would be more inclined to use the tactic in my own 22
Post #744
« Prev Topic | Next Topic »


Reading This Topic Expand / Collapse
Active Users: 0 (0 guests, 0 members, 0 anonymous members)
No members currently viewing this topic.
Forum Moderators: Admin, stevenn77, Toby, DanC

Permissions Expand / Collapse

All times are GMT, Time now is 12:32am

Free Rugby Drills
 
Links:

Rugby Drills

Rugby Tips Rugby Tackles Rugby Coaching
Rugby Training Rugby Training Tips Rugby Coaching Drills Training for Rugby
Tag Rugby Drills Rugby Rules