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| Didds is right and it is a continuing frustration to Gary T and others that communication in a large "voluntary" organisation is hard enough without the inability of some to register or pass on info. There are some great CCCs (and equivalents here in sunny Wales). Sometimes I get more emails than from Rugby Coach... Luckily, forums like this and others have people who are happy to share info, so thanks to those who post in reply. A service by the masses!
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| An interesting ruling from the RFU. It is open to question whether it is safer to introduce contact gradually in the controlled environment of the training ground in pre-season or to throw players into competition after only a few hours training in the new skills. For there will be U9 festivals in late Sept and Oct. Or is it that U9s are expected not to compete for the first half of the U9 season while the necessary contact skills are acquired?
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cjp (24/04/2008)
An interesting ruling from the RFU. It is open to question whether it is safer to introduce contact gradually in the controlled environment of the training ground in pre-season or to throw players into competition after only a few hours training in the new skills. For there will be U9 festivals in late Sept and Oct. Or is it that U9s are expected not to compete for the first half of the U9 season while the necessary contact skills are acquired?
Totally agree with safety introducing gradually, there's a lot for a U9 to take in in 3-4 weeks and then thrust into a festival!
Our first game when we were U9 was the last weekend in Sept and was full blooded, thank god we had the chance to work with them over a period of time rather than throwing them in at the deep end and risking potential injury but also possibly turning them away from Rugby because of loss of confidence.
I really cant see what the issue is gradually building up tackling and rucking well before to develop confidence and ability.
Steve
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| my guess is that the change occurred for insurance led reasons rather than playing ones. Howsoever THAT decision was arrived at! didds
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| Hi there, I have just finished the season coaching my u9`s. You might find the flare players at u9's wont neccessarly be the same one from u8's. My best tips to encourage two supporting players to stay close to ball carrier and to run straight the power step onto shoulder of defender with supporting players binding on at contact to help them through the tackle. Try not to maul the ball as it always gets held up and you lose possession. We went to ruck and kept more ball. The biggest problem is every player will want to run with the ball and not pass, this will result in many turnover balls so practice passing before contact and rucking and you should do fine. All the best for the forthcoming season.
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| "Try not to maul the ball as it always gets held up and you lose possession" But don't forget the entire point of the ctnm (for england clubs anyway) is one of development... so at SOME TIME these players will have to maul, and learn about the benefits and downsides of mauling, and how to do it effectively and meaningfully etc. Senior coaches won't thank you if at age 17 you hand them players that can ruck and ruck and ruck and ruck - but have no idea how to maul, and you'll restrict those players chances of county/rep honours etc if they lack a central skill such as mauling in their youth. I would concur however that getting such young players mauling "well" is a difficult one, and especially avoiding the "all-in-together" mauls with 20 pairs of hands all fighting for the ball! didds cheers didds
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| On the not passing issue, they have an interesting rule in mini and mod league (up to yr4/U9 and up to yr-6/U11 respectively) if the acting half back is caught in possession there is a turnover. (Otherwise the normal 6 tackle rule applies (- these are both contact games)). There are no markers at the PTB and the defense must retreat 5m from the tackle so the acting half back is not under immediate pressure but he (or she) must pass if a turnover is to be avoided. So at least 1 pass gets made! Might be able to do something along those lines in training games.
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Re this change or the "withdrawal of the dispensation", I may be being really dim here but looking through all sorts of regulations, the Continuum regulations and all sorts I cannot find anything that even mentions contact training let alone whether this age group or that can or cannot do it. From what I can gather from the forums some sort of amendment (that no one seems to have noticed) was made to some or other regulations about 3 years ago removing a dispensation from either that unidentified document or some other unidentified document. The situation seems to have been brought to people's notice by some form of communication (the status of which is unclear) from the Continuum Review Group.
Can anyone shed any light on the following:
1. What document contains the prohibition?
2. What is the status of that document particularly in relation to the Continuum Regulations (which do not appear to incorporate by reference other documents)?
3. What is the status of the Continuum Regulations, the Playing Regulations etc what takes precedence over what (esp. in the event of any inconsistency).
4. What is the status of the CRG and what powers to they have to amend documents. What is their legal status?
5. What procedures have to be gone through to amend rules and regulations - surely there must be a formalised procedure for any amendment to be considered legitimate and binding?
As an ex-lawyer I am trying to claw my way through all of this in the hope that there is some kind of coherent legal structure to all of this (albeit one especially well hidden). So far all I have found is a complete mess. Help!
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| I am also doing the same and suggest you put in "RFU under9's continuum" into your web browser - you will get all the rules in PDF formats. Also suggest you arrange practice games against your under 10's or another club under a softer rules process - if you are anywhere near StHelens my team will be looking for training games and will help..
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Thanks Stuart. I have just downloaded a few versions of the U9 U10 Continuum - one dated 06/07, the other undated (so no way of knowing whether it is current or not, the undated one being from the RFU site). Both documents are silent on the subject of contact in training. They do mention the playing season, but not what can and cannot be done in training (except on the subject of "squeeze ball" and players "playing down". As a matter of general UK law is something is not expressly prohibited you can do it. (If that were not the case everything that was permitted would have to be specified. Imagine that for rugby - the rules would look like the Encyclopedia Britannica "... it does not say you can scuff a kick off the outside of the boot so it must be illegal, penalty!")
If the Continuum does not say you cannot do something you can do it. If the RFU want to outlaw contact in training pre the U9 season it needs to be in the Continuum in black and white. As it stands I can find nothing in the Continuum for U7, U8, U9 or 10 that mentions what can be done in training re contact. If the Continuum is the principal document governing junior rugby (I am assuming as much although I cannot find anything that explains the exact status of the document) then if the RFU want to issue other documents/regulations and want them to take effect they need to be incorporated or incorporated by reference in the Continuum. It is perfectly possible for a document to refer to another one and thereby incorporate its terms. If contact in training is outlawed under some other document, it is highly questionable as to whether it is binding on anyone as it is not referred to in the Continuum (assuming the Continuum is the "top document").
If you have some U8s going to U9s a way through this mess would be to encourage the players to join their local rugby league club over the summer. That way they can get all the tackling coaching and practice they need, all legit and insured through the club, BARLA or whoever and not have to worry about getting yourself in hot water with the RFU. As league is now a summer game you should get the players back come autumn, nice and fit and ready for some tackling.
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