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GE - no problems, and your description is undoubtedly true of many many AG coaches of course.
What I said wasn't a "rule of thumb" or a "Didds says you must do this"... it was more thrown open for debate :-)
To follow up on GE's pragmatic scenario then I'll also throw this into the mix...
... do some B teamers *cough* get selected for the *cough* A team because their parent is an "A" team coach *cough* ? [because the coach selection differs from GE's experience I hasten to add]
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As CCC I sometimes get asked by lead coaches if they should practise A & B squads or a more open rotated squad arrangement.
What I tell them is that we do not have a club policy and we leave it to lead coaches and their teams to decide, but I do ask them to consider wrt A & B squads
* how game time is allocated over a full season. All the players have paid the same subs and deserve the same opportunities.
* what criteria is used to differentiate between squads
* how will they deal with dropping someone from A to B to make way for somebody that has earned the promotion from B to A?
* do coaches sit with a set squad or rotate around?
* when you reach U13 and 15 a side on a full size pitch experience shows you need to have a squad of 25 players of whatever abilities to remain "feasible".
ON an empirical level I would add that I am not aware of any player in our club in a dozen years leaving a rotated squad setup because they felt they were not getting game time [even though such squads still picked stronger squads for stronger festivals] whereas I know several players that left A&B squad set ups because of perceived lack of game time.
e.g Bert played in 5 out of 6 festivals this year, I went to 1. Ned always plays 1.5 games out of 2 but I only ever get half a game.
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didds (07/01/2012) GE - no problems, and your description is undoubtedly true of many many AG coaches of course.
... do some B teamers *cough* get selected for the *cough* A team because their parent is an "A" team coach *cough* ? [because the coach selection differs from GE's experience I hasten to add]
diddsWe have an interesting dilemma this season. The club for safety reasons will be pursuing a policy of strongly recommending that players who qualify for age dispensation (lower 20% percentil in weight) will be advised (strongly recommended) to register in the next lower age group. The son of the U13 team this year will definitely be on that list, and recommended to play in the U12s. Will the boy stay in the U13s (defy the safety issue) in order for the father to continue coaching? Will the boy play U12s, and the father apply to be a coach in his sons new team? How will he react if he knows there is already an established coach in the U12s? Will the father forego coaching for the safety of his son?
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I know several players that left A&B squad set ups because of perceived lack of game time. didds I can see how that might happen. However that would be a failing of coaches in following a policy of fairness, rather than an issue with A-team/B-team concept. I find it hard to imagine that fringe players are so bad, that the coach would not give them a run, they would suffer chronic lack of game-time, and leave the club. If there is so much disparity between the A-team and the bench players, then that would point to an issue with training. And whose responsibility is that? My opinion: if you pick bench players for the A-team, be prepared to play them, at least 75% game-time or as deemed fair by the player. Otherwise don't expect to have any keen bench players.
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GE: However that would be a failing of coaches in following a policy of fairness, rather than an issue with A-team/B-team concept.
I totally agree 100%. What I have noticed over the years though is that the AG coaches that are most vociferous about A&B squads, and life isn't equal etc also tend to the ones that apparently try least to involve and provide opportunities for their B teamers.
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| Definitely agree with that didds. And I know of just such a coach, Fred. In 2010 Fred was the A-team coach in an A/B arrangement. In 2011 there were insufficient numbers for two teams, so all of the B-teamers were folded into the A-team. Fred left the B-teamers sitting on the sideline, while last year's A-team got full games week in and week out. Those B-teamers who Fred was forced to play due to illness or injury were constantly shouted at, and made to feel responsible when the team did not win (which was often, the team did not do well, and there was very low morale all year). I noticed also there developed a rather toxic elitist culture amongst the boys, which resulted in some bullying and demeaning of weaker players, although Fred remained oblivious to this and did not act on it. In the 2011 year book Fred wrote this: For the boys who came up from last years lower grade team it has been a huge step. The different style we play, the intensity of the game and your own self confidence all contribute to how the team goes. To our new boys who had not played the game before it was an eye opener, we hope you enjoyed the experience. To the players who were with me last year, thankyou for supporting our little club. To the others a big thankyou also, we hope you all turn up again next year. Registration for 2012 starts in February. I am told that at least three of those B-teamers will not be returning. Unless there is significant recruitment, there may not be the numbers to form a single squad.
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Gentlemen - thanks for all your replies.
I think as a relatively new coach I am happy to defer to my betters when it comes to team selection and tactics.
You are right Didds about the less able players needing the better coaches but in the meantime they are stuck with me and my enthusiasm.
I do have plenty of help though and the A team coaches make every player feel part of it at training.
They are all told they are part of a huge squad and can step up if they want.
We have had some B teamers on the A bench but they get little game time and are only there as replacements in case of injuries.
And I know if I 'discover' a decent player he will end up playing for the As - but then surely the player he has replaced will filter down to me?
Or am I being naive here?
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| smumpfump, If your A-team coaches are including all the boys in training, and the message is that "they are part of a huge squad and can step up if they want", then the boys are in a very good place. You are very fortunate to be a B-team coach in that environment. However, I would strongly recommend that you monitor the happiness of the B-teamers on the bench for the As. Ensure that they get a game on the weekend, whether in the As or Bs. i.e. they only sit on the bench as a reserve if they have already played a game that day. Otherwise I would recommend strong words to the A-team coach, the age manager, and/or your coaching coordinator. Suggest minimum 75% gametime, or no reserves will be provided. If a lad is capable of A-grade, but wants to play B-grade, then that is his choice. A player should never be forced to play in a higher grade if he does not want to. Conversely, if the talented player in your B-team wants to go into A-grade, then you should be encouraging it. Never try to horde talent in the lower grade, it will bite you. Often it is not up to the coaches to decide where the boys play, they decide. They know, having fun playing a great game in a team with friends is what it is all about. Finally, I hope you don't feel downtrodden as B-team coach. As previously stated, I spent two years coaching a B-team. And I loved every moment. The challenge of teaching the boys, and seeing them improve, was uplifting. Some of the boys I have trained are now playing representative rugby. Whenever I come to the games to see the boys play, they always come over and have a chat with me, I feel their gratitude and respect. It is a wonderful feeling.
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