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Ok, today my team lost the league semi final, we topped the log and secured promotion but the game today was probably our worst all season and we lost fair and square to a team that played better and wanted it more then us.
The problem is the referee was absolutely amazingly bad - it didn't effect the outcome of the game but it certainly had an impact on the quality of the game.
Led to a lot of frustration, both on the pitch and off it, and I would honestly say in 30 years of playing I've never seen anything like it.
As an example, our winger cleared the ball down the line, it bounced a full meter in field and rolled into touch, the linesman gave the line out, the ref let the line out start to form then the opposition captain complained that the ball had gone out on the full, the referee then changed his mind took us back to where the kick was taken from -our captain obviously questioned the decision and was told and his actual words were "tough luck".
And that was the tip of the iceberg.
Now I would like the club to put in an official complaint as to the standard of reffing, but realise this will just come across as bad losing and the president is not keen to say anything, but the sad fact is the referee was simply not good enough today, he was influenced the whole game by the opposition questioning him, and it was honestly a testament to my guys the game didn't end in an all out brawl, violence was let go and again that's just the beginning of it.
My view his if the standard of reffing is not questioned or addressed then another team may well lose a game due to this referee. I think we should send a letter of compliment to the referee association for the standard in our season but say we were very disappointed in the quality during the knockout stages of the competition.
Does anyone have any thoughts? Obviously right now I'm pretty fed up, but would you just leave it for fear of being a sore loser or seen to be criticising the man in the middle who has a hard enough job as it is?
Would be keen to hear what others in similar positions have done.
Cheers guys
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Were the touch judges provided by the local society? If so you could perhaps ask them for their impression.
My advice would be to sleep on it for a couple of days so you are in a better frame of mind and then get the phone number of the local society secretary and phone him up and ask to discuss the matter. Don't let it turn into a character assassination, merely raise a couple of concerns, highlight those concerns with examples from the game and ask for clarification on the matter.
Hope this helps
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| ha Just realised I wrote bad Redding? LOL!(I HAVE CHANGED IT TO REFFING DJC) Having slept on this for a couple of nights i'm still certain that the standard of reffing needs to be addressed, our vice president is on board and has drafted a letter to the head of the Ref's society that we fall under. It was a bit emotional talking about the game but I've redrafted it essentially doing as i said above saying "we were impressed with the reffing all season but dissapointed in the standard during the Quarter and Semi final, that we found the interpretations of the law and consistency of those interpretations difficult to adapt to and not within our understanding of the laws,a nd that we'd like to seek clarification on what we were doing wrong, and or discuss it further" Obviously paraphrasing there... Not looking for a hung game or to challenge the result but I think the referee should be assesed, maybe it was just a bad day but maybe it wasn't and at least if he's assesed you would hope any fundamental issues would be picked up. One thing that made my mind up is my wife just happened to photograph the match and we have sequential photographic evidence of a lot fo the decisions we struggled to understand.
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I suspect the society's answer will be a quite simple one... if more people became refs then overall the standard would improve. Because then a situation would exist whereby every match could have a society ref, and you could only ref if you were in a society... and CPD would be compulsory etc...
That's not to say that this individual isn't a society ref or doesn't receive training etc etc etc ,... but its a numbers game.
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Asking another question: when you write to the society what are you WANTING them to respond with?
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Didds makes a good point. The society can at best review the referee. It changes nothing about the game. The players need to focus on the things they can have an influence on. This might sound harsh but this path leads to people concerning themselves with the referee's performance rather than playing their game, which must be pretty good in the first instance to get to the final stages of the competition.
I'd focus on making the team so much better that next year the opposition will just get blown away. Manage the things you can control and do them to the very best.
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Didds a review is in my mind sufficient and he was a society ref, we play in france.
Also we sponsor and send a member of the club on a reffing course every year, it's compulsory.
Spikes, it was just a bad day for us, we've been the form team all season with only two losses in the league, unfortunately this was one of them. We've gone 22, for 2 losses and one draw, and a run of 16 wins on the bounce. This is the only game we have lost t home all season.
I don't believe the ref effected the result, yes with different decisions we may have snuck it but if had it would not have been a fair reflection of the game, they deserved it the same way we did when we beat them earlier.
But, I do think the reefing had a serious effect on the game, for example the inconsistency in his reffing meant you were unable adapt.
We've been promoted so the chances of encountering him again is small, but while I completely respect any man who does the job I don't think they are beyond criticism when done in a constructive way
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| You say the other team deserve win etc and decisions didn't affect result. I don't know you and I'm not being disrespectful, maybe you just got too used to winning and find it hard to accept the loss and therefore are magnifying the referee's perceived inconsistencies and errors. If you really feel that strongly go ahead and complain. Alternatively focus your energies on the challenge of being in a new league.
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| Knight, it's not that at all and I'm afraid that's a massive assumption to make on your behalf. I don't think myself or my team took winning for granted at any stage, we've been focused and respectful of the game and every opposition we've played all season, because this is a hard league to play in and top. Last season we were a very good competitive side and learnt the hard way and came 6th, this season we've done the hard work and come 1st. But nearly every game has been tough and won by a few points and everyone is only too aware that at times we've won games we probably should have lost. so no i don't think it's a case of that at all. On the plus side if anything the result has refocused us on the next challenge which is the cup for us. RE: focusing on the ref. I don't think i'm channeling energy elsewhere or focusing on things out of my control, it's just a letter raising my concerns and is not taking any of the preperation time I or my team would put in to the next game - as i've stated all along i don't think the ref cost us the game and I stand by that statement because we literally lost by one score. I would still have felt it necessary to raise the issue even if we'd won, because at no point were we allowed to play rugby, and when we adapted to the referees request the goal posts were moved again, his interpretations of the laws were wrong and inconsistent, it was at times like playing a pick up game in the park. But I have to say I don't see why I cannot be objective about this just because my team lost, and I think it's wrong that people should expect us to just sit and take it for fear of coming accross as bad losers. Anyway, thanks for al the advice guys, I'm adamant the issue should be raised, but it's really down to our President now, so I'm just leaving the issue with him.
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| Write the letter! Absolutely! However ..... Put on your assessor hat. Evaluate the referee by performance criteria such as knowledge of Law, fitness, game management, attitude etc. Were there positives? Include them. Cite examples but only in the context of general criteria. Don't just put down a list of specific 'bad calls'. The worst referees hide their incompetence behind a wall of arrogance. They are not good for the game. Fix 'em or fire 'em.
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| Goodno10 I wasn't making an assumption, I said maybe, and provided caveats. It was a prod to see how strongly you felt. Since you still clearly feel strongly go ahead and write. I should think that with a reasonably worded letter then a decent referee society would take it on board. What level does your team play at?
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