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Posted 25/05/2007 18:29:16
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I watched the first bit of the Blues vs the Sharks the other day, the Blues early on had a lineout near the 50, used a 5 man lineout out and drove it.  Worked amazing, drove it 30 meters super fast, Sharks had to pull it down.  Here is my question to any Lineout gurus out there: What are the advantages and disadvantages to using a shortened lineout versus a full lineout when driving it?  I have some ideas but Id love to hear from some experts. If anyone saw the play I am refering too, what happened there?  Sharks not expecting the drive?
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Posted 29/05/2007 17:29:36


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At our club, we have a 4 man lineout, where the scrum half is the target. He jumps between players 1&2 or 2&3. The hooker hits him, it's caught and more often than not, the hooker and the spare player bind on, creating a quick maul. Once the referee signals that the lineout is over, the rest of the pack arrive and give secondary shove/ close pop ball support.

At grass roots level, the lineout has confused the opposition a little, provided a quick maul and we have certainly enjoyed some success with this - most instances of the lineout have resuted in significant territory gains and have scored from a few.

Also - New Zealand scored from a diving maul at the London Sevens in the final. They must have been to one of our training sessions!

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Posted 01/06/2007 09:49:10
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When loking at shortened lineouts I look to coach 3 main factors.

Speed: In you team arriving at the lineout & ready to go. The players mental reactions. Support player reactions.

Agillity: Foot work, core body skills & movement.

Surprise. The element of surprise can open gaps in defences. (Wasps vs Leicester Heineken Cup final)

Shortend lineouts need frequent practice as there is less room for error than standard lineouts. The more automatic your shortened option becomes the more efficiently it will function.

Practice makes perfrect, but prefect practice makes points.

Ruck, Ruck, & Ruck again.

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Posted 01/06/2007 12:46:21
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Posted 25/06/2007 16:08:20
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Some other thoughts on advantages of shortened lineouts;

A shortened lineout gives the ref a clearer view of any illegal tactics.

Position the non participating forwards behind the backs and include as decoy runners or ball carriers.The defending team now has to cope with a crowded attack in front of them.Bring in the blinside winger for more mayhem!

Shortened lines tend to throw to middle/rear - this gives you a good blind side to attack/open by driving infield.

Have some surfire shortened lines, call early (say when a penalty is awarded and you kick to touch) - walk in and go straight up without even doing the usual 'gather' before the ball gets thrown.This gives great element of surprise.

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Posted 20/03/2008 02:01:53
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Short line-outs have the advantage of being a great shock play most teams dont train heavily on defending them plus it lets you have a set pod waiting or an extended back line. The disadvantages are that if you use them too often they can get repetitive as they only offer so many options it also allows the defense to have some big boys waiting to lay into you if you are too slow. Our club is a big fan of them because we are a smaller quicker team and it gives us more options.
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