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Before supporting in the lineout was legal, England used to take a big step sideways prior to the throw in. I'm guessing this was to prevent interference from the opposition. Is this still legal in age grade rugby pre-lifting???
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| I actually had this come up with a ref from outside our normal LAU. Normally, we teach the players to take a step into the tunnel and then jump. This had been done since I was a player both in U19 as well as at uni, as well as when I played in Holland without any form of penalty. However, this ref would continuously penalize my team as well as the opposition for jumping into the tunnel. According to him, the jumpers must be lifted in the air, and then lean over into the tunnel and contest the ball.
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| As the line out is formed, a 1 metre gap is maintained between the inside shoulders of each team's players participating in the lineout. That is, each side is a half a metre from the line of touch. Players must maintain that gap prior to the throw in and must not step over the line of touch. 50cm is only about a shoulders width so it does not take much of a step to encroach the line of touch. The referee who kept pinging you would have done so because you were "closing the gap" and presumably stepping over the line of touch.
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But I talking about making the gap bigger. England used to do it all the time...Is that legal??
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JBUS_rugby (30/08/2010)
But I talking about making the gap bigger. England used to do it all the time...Is that legal??If the gap is too wide, the ref will usually set the front men in the line out where he wants them (ideally 50cm each side of the line of touch) and tell the remaining players to form the line out behind the front men. The thrower is going to have to throw within that 1 metre corridor otherwise the throw is not straight. Therefore, one team widening the gap too much by standing say 1 metre from the line of touch before the throw will give the opposition an advantage. Why do that? If you start too far from the line of touch, you will also be inclined to have the jumper going up at an angle rather than straight up. This will make it harder for the supporting players to bring him safely down. Not sure if there is an absolute maximum distance you can stand from the line of touch pre throw in. I'll have to check that out for you . I don't remember seeing it written anywhere in the Laws of the Game.
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I saw in on ESPN classic-although it was a while ago. On their throw, England would line up normally. Then as a line, just before the throw, they all took a big step sideways, making the gap bigger. This was before lifting, so that wasn't an issue. But the lineout was a dirty business back then. I am guessing it gave Simon Shaw and Martin Johnson a cleaner jump, away from the interference of the opposition..I've tried to find footage, but failed, sorry 
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| If a team, who has the throw-in, take a big step away from the line of touch just before the ball is thrown in and the thrower then throws the ball so as to travel along the line of his line-outs inside shoulders, the thrower should get pinged for not throwing the ball in straight. He is effectively denying a fair contest. The Laws of the Game state that the throw is to be along the line of touch. If they are taking a big step away on the oppositions throw, then they are putting themselves at a disadvantage. I have been searching on Youtube for past England test matches but haven't found the method you described yet (back to '99 RWC so far). May have to search further back.
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what would the advantage be to opening the gap though? Using rough ascii (assuming full lineouts- the numbers aren't necessarily true)
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In the situation above- a standard lineout- the green team is on offense going towards the bottom of the screen- the bold 2 throws it down the middle of the lineout along the hyphen, the jumpers are lifted and the ball is contested.
However, according to the OP, there is an advantage to widening the gap
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the problem is, the green 2 still has to throw it down the middle of the lineout- moving further away from the tunnel will just make it easier for the opposition to steal the ball.
correct me if I'm wrong please.
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OmarLittleAndAssociates (01/09/2010)
what would the advantage be to opening the gap though? Using rough ascii (assuming full lineouts- the numbers aren't necessarily true)
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| 1 4 3 5 6 7 8
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In the situation above- a standard lineout- the green team is on offense going towards the bottom of the screen- the bold 2 throws it down the middle of the lineout along the hyphen, the jumpers are lifted and the ball is contested.
However, according to the OP, there is an advantage to widening the gap
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the problem is, the green 2 still has to throw it down the middle of the lineout- moving further away from the tunnel will just make it easier for the opposition to steal the ball.
correct me if I'm wrong please.
You are correct.
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except IMO, the hooker doesn;t actually throw it down the dotted line.
What he does is place his "upfield" foot on the line, which actually means his head is closer towards his own line of players. this would be obvious if his own players don't move and the ball will probably align itself with the inside shoulders. So by stepping to the side the ball's line is still outside of the line of shoulders, but still further from the opposition.
Alternatively, the hooker stands with upfield foot as described but feet together - initially. This makes it look as if he is throwing along the doted line. As his team step to the side his downfield foot follows to a more "normal stance". This would bring his head to where it would be as described above, but may not be as obviously not-down-the-dashed-line during the set up.
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