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Posted 10/02/2010 10:36:23


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Here is a hypothesis

A head coach for an international team has so much at stake. He has to let his head rule.

Forwards play in small chunks of the field and so progress up the field for them is just that, small. A long kick is a quicker way of gaining distance. Passing out to the backs is a danger because the ball might be lost behind the gain line.

If a forward is the head coach, then he will revert to this style of play when his team is under pressure.

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Okay, I am going to back that up somewhat:
Martin Johnson, Warren Gatland, Mark Lievemont, Andy Robinson all played international rugby in the forwards and Nick Mallet got a blue as a forward.

All are capable of asking their teams to play flowing rugby, but when the pressure is on, do they not revert to type? Arguably the pressure is always on them, so we won't see much in the way of a running game unless:
1. They are so far behind they have to run the ball
2. They are so far in front they can afford to run the ball

A coach who was a back would see it differently perhaps..."we are an attacking threat with the ball in hand, so that's what we are going to use"

Teams don't kick every ball they get, but they kick a lot more of the ball than they should. I think it might be because too many of these head coaches are former forwards.

Am I wrong?

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Posted 10/02/2010 13:28:36
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I don't think the amount of kicking in a game at any professional level has anything to do with whether the head coach played as a forward or a back.

There is immense pressure on a head coach to deliver a win in each game they play. The game strategy will be planned by all the coaching team based on their own team’s strengths and weaknesses against the opposition they are playing.

If you take Brendan Venter as an example - Head coach for Saracens. International player who played at centre. As a coach he has implemented a game plan that involves a lot of kicking and a low risk attack strategy preferring to let the opposition make the mistakes. This has worked well for Saracens.

I think the increased amount of kicking is due to the fact that there is more chance of being turned over at the breakdown (IRB attempting to address this with further interpretations) and inconsistent refereeing. So the fear of losing the ball in your own half is there, whether you have a forward or a back as a head coach.

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Posted 11/02/2010 18:21:09
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Or maybe a cynic would say that while defending has got better, attacking has not, and skills have possibly gotten worse - in terms of one on one, three man moves, ability to create space, etc. - and that the kick is the compensation for this lack of ability to match more threatening defensive systems and defenders.

Most teams have brilliantly skilled backs, but most also have that 'bashing' back who does little but. I reckon these players are liabilities to creative attack.

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Posted 17/02/2010 12:30:47
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Interesting to read these posts after Italy v England on Sunday last.

However - is it down to the Head Coaches, and their former playing positional experiences? I'm not so sure. I think its more down to which players control certain zones of the pitch and how the attacks and defences flow in-out-and around these zones.

The Kicking Chess we now see far too often is arguably based on the premise of who is going to be first to make one of the 2 cardinal errors - the at-kick error or the at-catch error. There are other background elements as well but the mindset is definitely on the wait and see principle. The reason we see it most at the top end of the game is that (when not under pressure) there is a greater level of accuracy and making distance from kickers and a better technical level of catching and passing from the fielders. Also - every player has a much greater speed about the park.

In theory when a decent kick is sent and fielded by one of the back 3 on Team A, then the Team B follow-up players come up with such numerical superiority that Team A's back 3 rarely take them on, choosing to return the kick deep. When Team B's back 3 now field it then all the roles are reversed and the whole cycle rolls on until something gives through technical imperfection (or impatience or enterprise!)

In order to break the cycle and run the ball, the fielding Team would need to augment their Back 3 quickly and redress the numerical imbalance. This could be organised on a particular call - but would have to be used sparingly, unless the opposition were prone to regular lapses in positional concentration. As has already been said, these days defences are so well drilled and organised that this surprise tactic can only be used occasionally.

So - in effect - we shold most likely expect more Kicking Chess in the weeks, months, years to come, unless there is some tinkering with the Laws. Thinking of the 40/20 Rule in rugby league, is there anything that might be done along those lines for instance?

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Posted 21/02/2010 10:41:04
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Having thought about this I have come to the conclusion that kicking well should be encouraged and kicking badly should be punished, what I would like to see is.

1.  If you kick the ball from your own half and the oposition catch it cleanly in their 22, then there should be an option of a SCRUM BACK FROM WHERE THE BALL WAS KICKED, unless the catching player plays on.  This will put an end to hoofing it long and swamping the pitch with forwards preventing the counter attack, and encourage better kick chases, it will also make teams at least bring the ball over the half way line before kicking long, (however prospect of kicking dead).  It will also cut down on teams kicking away possession in the hope of forcing an error.

2.  This could also bring the back three and others more upfield creating space deep which can be exploited by a good kicker (bad kicker punished), where as at the moment the back three and others will stay deep to collect and return the kick, if they know that there is more chance of a counter attack they wont stay deep but move up to the defensive line leaving the full back.

As a coach that has played both in the forwards and backs, my teams are told never to give away possession.  I dont mind kicking but it must be there to either clear our lines or to attack. 

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