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| Just wanted to get the forums advice on something that is starting to really annoy me. I coach a very good team. I encourage my players to just play rugby and get on with it. The problem is the league we play in, the other teams just become violent when we are beating them. Yesterday we beat a team by 50 points and after we got to 40 points it just kicked off every ruck, scrum and when the ref was not looking. My captain got knocked out(off the ball) by a prop who was then patted on the back and high five by team mates on the way back. This was then followed by a 10 man brawl with one of my players being kicked in the head and another player being gang smacked by 3 players. The ref in the end blew up 10 minutes early. This is the 3rd time this has happened now when we are beating teams well. I am trying to promote an open style game of rugby and it is working. The problem is that if this continues my players are just going to get fed up with being beaten up all game, or am I a minority and do I just need to accept this and give my players monday nights off to take up cage fighting. Look forward to hearing any comments you have.
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You are doing the right thing.
I unfortunately have no real answers, other than to say
1) never play such teams again (not always practical WRT stuff like county cups etc) and instead seek like minded teams such as yourself
2) raise your query with your RDO (or equivalent, depending on where you are based) as a minimum for his advice. (He likely won;t have any either to be fair to him, but you have flagged an issue that is preventing YOUR development plans and could be leading potentially to loss of players as they leave the game to avoid being targetted)
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| I agree it appears to be a growing problem. I too coached up until last year a team that also played proper rugby and on many occasions contemplated coaching some 'black arts' but resisted it to concentrate on good basic skills and game awareness etc. Referees and discipline boards have to get a grip. I don't coach this year because i'v gone off the game. Its becoming more violent because offenders do not get dealt with. Simple as that.
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| There is one way to prevent this happening. Ask a parent to Video the game and tell the opposition coach that you are videoing the game for training purposes. Once the other teams realise you are videoing the game this will act as a deterrant and will over time reduce the violence against your team and give your players the comfort that the opposition's crimes are being caught on video. If they persist, go to your local Union and present the evidence, I am sure they will then take some action.
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| Fully agree with Holtony. Get the evidence and present it to your CB, your club and the offending clubs chairman. If the players are U18 present it to both Safeguarding Officers. Your players are worth more than a few comforting words from you after the game, they need to be protected from violence. Violence is very different to a hard game of rugby. If it is hard and fair then get on with it, if it is violence then it should be stopped. We shouldn't be scared of "outing" the thugs and I don't believe that the young players have the violence built in, they are encouraged by BAD coaches to rough up the good opposition. As soon as we all stand up against it,then the coaches responsible will find that the only option for them is the stands of the local football club. And there are more and more who should be sent there rather than be allowed at a rugby club. Unfortunately do we believe that any of these types of coach will realise that they are to blame and if they do will they read these sort of forum? I doubt it. Duncan
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| I should point out its mens rugby we are dealing with here. The teams we are playing are of a decent standard, which makes this even more annoying as you would think they would be keen to play some rugby.
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| Your players should not have to put up with this nonsense. It is common assault and must be kept out of the game at all costs. Taking a video of games is certainly useful, but only if you show it to the appropriate authority (RFU or local equivalent). This worked for us last season.Talk to the referee before the match and let him know that if violence occurs and offending players are not removed from the game then you will withdraw your team from the pitch (and a report will follow to the relevant referee authority). Ask the local constabulary to attend to oversee the assault count and take names and addresses with a view to criminal charges being brought. Do not muck about as this sh~t should not be tolerated by the rugby community. Best of luck!!
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| I totally agree with everyone's comments. I gave quite a lengthy comment of my own on another recent posting following Mark Reason (Telepgraph) article entitled "I don't want my 10 y-o son to play rugby....". If its youth/junior rugby, Holtony, check out the rulings on videos first a propos permissions for "capturing moving images", CRB checks etc etc. Not quit sure how that works in rugby. We've video'd one game this year at home. It was the cleanest match of the season! Our league has been restructured and we find our young (ave age 20/21) side playing against bigger, older, wiser sides and especially packs. We've fallen foul of weak referees - and by weak I mean those who take every opportunity to not take firm decisions. Bad coaches, and bad, wily players pick up on these gentlemen good and early and turn the whole thing to their side's advantage. On last Saturday our away game was due to start 2.30pm. At exactly that time the ref turned up - hurriedly chose to start at 2.45pm; hardly checked anyone's studs and his instructions to our front row were "Don't do anything naughty - ok?". His knowledge of the set pieces was lamentable - and he allowed the home side to provide 2 lads of ages 12 (or less) to run both touchlines. This was an adults league match! Needless to say the home side got away with loads of stuff and would probably have (had we looked like winning) resorted to overt violence and more-than-cheap shots. Players of most ages, but especially young adults, play fair unless driven to foul by a prevailing culture at their club, or through their coach(es), or match circumstances. Weak referees allow them to get away with their crimes. Given police manpower these days its unlikely we'd get officers in attendance! However - video evidence can very useful in identifying culprits and ergo as a deterrent. PW
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| Saturday 7th Nov - And here we are again - with more bullying and confusion. Different ref and we are at home against a side who rolled us over by 30 points at their place earlier in the season. We've improved enough to really challenge and are beating them so they resort to in-fighting, covert violence, dirty play. Ref cards 2 of them anyway - but right in front of his eyes allows a spear tackle to go (a) uncarded and (b) unpenaltied even. Our skipper queries it and the reply is "he lowered the player to the ground so it was not dangerous". How livid am I allowed to get before I get sent off and/or reported - for merely asking why? Fighting has nothing on this young lady however...... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4629837 Not rugby I know.....nevertheless PW
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