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| Hello, I recently started teaching a rucking technique I came across that is called the Snake System. This concept was originally developed by Robbie Deans and is now taught at the Sharks Academy amongst others. The basic concept is rucking one behind the other instead of the traditional ruck, that way you force a long and narrow gate which is supposed to be more dificult for the defenders and gives the scrum half comfort to deliver the ball. The question is, has anybody tried this in real game situations? I have been looking at a lot of videos from the Natal Sharks, the Crusaders and recently Australia to try and see if they actually use it. Although it looks like sometimes they try to do it, it never actually seems to be done the way I saw it in the training sessions. Best Regards,
Gustavo Lopez
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I'm not quite sure how this works in practise (even as a training drill)... anyone got a clip of it?
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The youth development coach at my sons club was demonstrating this last night at training. He encouraged the tackled ball carrier to work on the floor to get his body in a position that is more or less parallel to the touchlines, rather than the 'traditional' across the pitch 'S' shape that us 'gray haired' coaches teach! The idea is to narrow the gate and get the ball much nearer your supporting players. Reckons you can win the ruck with fewer players and produces cleaner ball for the SH.
Interested in others views on this. I can see the concept, but wonder whether it makes the player on the floor vulnerable (I think he would end up pretty much face down stretched out - lower back exposed to boots etc?). Also the gate is narrowed for both teams - so your own support players will have trouble defending the ball?
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Ref's view
I coach players to try this if possible precisely because it does narrow the defending gate. If no-one jackals, and a ruck forms, be careful that players stay on their feet, or they will end up bridging and getting pinged for it!
Stu
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Touchline Official, Worcester Warriors RFC
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| Was doing a Foundation (Youth) coaching course at the weekend & the tutor was demonstrating this to us, precisely for the reasons mentioned in earlier posts
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| Yeah this makes the gate narrow for your team aswell so your players can be pinged for coming in from the side. This technique can also be called 'laying the egg' because the player sometimes squeeze the ball out through his legs. Injury can be a big problem for the ball carrier, because as an opponent enters a ruck, the ball carriers head is the first thing they see, and it is very easy to cop a stray knee.
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The advantages of this system are as previously mentioned.
The gate is narrowed. Might draw a few extra penalties. Might work against you of course!
The ball is placed probably 2-3 memetresway from where the offside line is, allowing cleaner, unchallenged ball.
Defending teams may choose to not compete.
Problems can be;
How to get into this position, as you often end up losing a small amount of ground to achieve it.
Players exposed. we've had no injuries from this method to date. Referee's very quick to protect guys on the ground.
I use it with my teams. Certainly the ball is placed much further back, allowing for quicker ball to be recycled.
Even if players cannot get into a true 'snake' or 'gadget ball' position (as it is also known), the player has a responsibility to hinge at their hips and reach and place as far back as they are able to.
It's another option.
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| This is being coached by the premiership clubs on thier training days , I believe they call it " jacknife" we recently introduced this as I was at my wits end try to coach the u14s to ruck low enough and beyond the ball carrier , thus leaving the ball stuck amongst the bodies and the scrum half scratching like a chicken to free the ball . so we have now 2 calls ...socks , means get the ball / your body to the floor , and ...jack , this is called just after they hit the floor to signal moving the ball away as described ... its been working very well , scrum half is no longer scrating and the ball is appearing more quickly and much cleaner
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It is actually a really effective technique for quick ball recycling, the key though is making sure the cleaners get passed the ball.
It can be easily counter rucked, however. If you look at the scanners standing over or past the ball, he is generally alone and the best way to counter ruck is to pull the scanner slightly forward (getting them off balance) before driving him back on a slight angle. This generally causes the player to roll back onto the ball, 1/2 or any players in the vicinity. If the roll back is well timed the defence can poor through over the ball leaving the attacking team with little chance to regain structure.
Something to think about.
Jason Grier
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| Since i posted the original message I like to make clear one point: The secret of the snake system is no so much on the way the ball carrier presents (he can use te long presentation or what the south africans call scoring a double try) but as the way the arriving players join and form the ruck. They are the ones forming the snake since they join one behind the other. The snake is compossed of 3 players :Head, Body and Tail.
Gustavo Lopez
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