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| Hi Boys, Can someone please clear up what the defending 9 can do on oppo put into the scrum.Just down loaded Dan's ELV review.It seems to suggest that the defending 9 can defend on a line behind the rear foot.If so when can he move to take up this position. Wiggo.
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| He has to either start by the scrum half who is putting in the ball or can start at the offside line (the rear foot). He can put himself anywhere across the field from this position.
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| Thanks Dan, Last Saturday i went to confirm this with the Ref.He said he regarded it as illegal and we therefore would be penalised.I obviously didn't want to upset him and we were denied a defensive tool that i like to use.I thought i would just check it out - yet another example of the value of this site. Regards. David.
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| I believe the SH can only start next to the throwing in SH or back 5 with the other backs. After the ball has been won, he can retreat to the last foot and move along that line as wide as he wants.
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| Yes - He has to start next to the 9 putting the ball in.The IRB laws say that he may move,as Dan suggests,once the ball has been won.It is here that is open to Ref interpretation.When is the ball won ? When the 2 hooks it,or when it's at the 8s feet ? Wiggo.
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david wiggins (30/09/2009)
Thanks Dan,
Last Saturday i went to confirm this with the Ref.He said heregarded it as illegal and we therefore would be penalised.I obviously didn't want to upset him and we were denied a defensive tool that i like to use.I thought i would just check it out - yet another example of the value of this site.
Regards.
David.
.. except that the problem you have is that when you next meet this ref even though you know you are correct, he will still ping you for it :-(
didds
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Ref's head on.
For clarification, the ball is won when it has been hooked.
Oppo scrum half must either be with the scrum half putting the ball in or 5m back with the other players.
If he stays with the scrum and.....
your team has lost the ball, you may not move round the scrum and go forward of your teams offside line - that is the back foot of the scrum until the ball is out. Neither may you move away from the scrum and remain forward of the offside line - again, back foot.
In law The scrum half whose team does not win possession of the ball must not move to the opposite side of the scrum and overstep the offside line. For that scrum half that runs through the hindmost foot of that player’s team in the scrum.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(e) The scrum half whose team does not win possession of the ball must not move away from the scrum and then remain in front of the offside line. For that scrum half that runs through the hindmost foot of that player’s team in the scrum.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
Stu
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Touchline Official, Worcester Warriors RFC
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| Thanks Stewart, Sorry to labour the point,i just want to get this absolutely clear in my mind. So can my 9 move back and round the scrum just behind the rear foot,take up a position to defend,once the ball has been hooked,therefore won ? Very often,the ball is slow through their scrum or the 8 not that quick at picking up.It seems to me that if my 9 can indeed move once the ball is hooked,there is a fair chance that we have,in effect,an extra defender available,which of course is what i'm after. Didds, Take your point about the ref.I didn't push the issue at the time.I would appreciate you view on this.When he gave his front row briefing,he told us that he wanted," A creditable put in ".I have 2 questions here. 1. Is this the start of the erosion of scrummage law ? If it is,we all know that in the long term,the game will no longer be for players of all shapes etc.Has anyone else come across this ? 2. If i get it again,i shall ask if the same applies to the throw into the line !! David.
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david wiggins (08/10/2009)
Thanks Stewart,
Sorry to labour the point,i just want to get this absolutely clear in my mind.
So can my 9 move back and round the scrum just behind the rear foot,take up a position to defend,once the ball has been hooked,therefore won?
Very often,the ball is slow through their scrum or the 8 not that quick at picking up.It seems to methat if my 9 can indeed move once the ball is hooked,there is a fair chance that we have,in effect,an extra defender available,which of course is what i'm after.
Didds,
Take your point about the ref.I didn't push the issue at the time.I would appreciate you view on this.When he gave his front row briefing,he told us that he wanted," A creditable put in ".I have 2 questions here.
1. Is this the start of the erosion of scrummage law ? If it is,we all know that in the long term,the game will no longer be for players of all shapes etc.Has anyone else come across this ?
2. If i get it again,i shall ask if the same applies to the throw into the line !!
David.
David, you may use your 9 in that way yes - don't be surprised if your oppos complain loud and long! You know the sort of thing - "He has to let him up sir!" Another well known urban myth!
Stu
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| the defending 9 has 3 starting options at a scrum:-
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