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Supreme Being
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| Having not coaching Under 14s to throw in for a while I wanted to know what other coaches found. In Wales they are allowed to lift at U14s. I must say the team I was doing a session with last night were excellent. But they couldn't throw the ball in for toffee!
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IME it tends to be on of the uncoached areas... not because coaches don;t care, or don;t know how, but because there just never seems to be the time to dedicate to a skill that is used by just one or two in a squad.
It goes along with the ball claim after the tackle (how many tackle practices concentrate on putting the ball carrier on the floor but never progress past that?). Or presentation post tackle. Or back three counter attack. Or hooker's strike.
then there is the requirement that such individual type skills need time spent alone practicing it away from the rugby club. This isn't to say it doesn;t happen ever, but most 14 year olds have enough homework and household chores (?!) to do without adding throwing against a target for ten minutes on top.
Aside from the "technical" aspect of the throw - using trunk muscles, square on to the line of throw, sighting through the fingers after release - and the standard practices - kneeling down, hitting a cross bar/upright/bar+upright "cross", hitting a spot on a wall/upright, two hookers playing "Star wars" (one ball has to hit/intercept another thrown by the other hooker), maybe incorporating small games where lineout throwing is the key method of propulsion (eg rugby netball with linout throws), allied eventually with jumpers having to actually jump to catch the ball above their heads, or pods moving into position to lift. Or volleyball over a cross bar with sucesful points being awarded for lifted pods catching the ball etc.
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| Dan I am working on this myself with U14s , as you know no lifting in England , hookers cant throw in accurately , I liken the art of hookers throwing in to a Golfers swing ...learn the wrong way and bad habits will always be there ... I am in the process of getting a Gloucester or Worcester 1st team hooker down to a specific throwing clinic ... teaching the boys the best and most current practises , I will then try to keep this going when we meet weekly in club training , my thoughts being they would better learn from a pro rather an old duffer like me ... when you and I last played Dan the scrum half threw in from between his legs ....cheers Miler
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| Miler, be careful which Glaws hooker you get otherwise your lads won't be able to hit a barn door!!!!
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RFU need to stop treating kids like sissy boys & coaches as incompetents (we COACH, they must MANAGE, not vice versa) & let U12 & above kids lift in lineouts (obviously we coaches at that level would need to up our game!  ) This would make teaching the skill of throwing in more relevant (if you do it well, you can ACTUALLY win good ball! HINT HINT RFU!...) as opposed to the current lottery/ excuse that we call a lineout...
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| Agree on the lottery and quality of lineout ball, however don't agree about the lifting at this age. I really don't think they are physically able. FR's and SR's can be as heavy as each other just different shapes so strength and control limitations would make it unsafe for most but not all. Additionally, they would only ever go to 2, 4 being beyond most hookers at this age ability to hit a lifted player further back. Now we're back to the matching numbers in the LO lower age groups can and should be more innovative in their LO options. Getting players to think and make decisions for themselves on the pitch is part of the learning process and involves playing to their strengths when they get into different areas of the pitch. A shortened attacking LO could create the opportunity they need. If LO's not a strength they need to learn how to defend against them.............. going on a bit but sure you get the gist........ [Smiley - it won't let me insert one]
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Love the innovation Jenks!  THATS what coaching is all about... agree on the 'all shaopes & sizes' but again feel that as coaches WE should be empowered to make the decision, based on the ability, physical make up & maturity of the boys/ girls in our care, not some 'old fart' (thanks Will Carling!) at Twickenham...
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| All for making my own decisions regarding abilities of my players who I think I know pretty well. I'd also be happy for the posters on this forum to do the same if I could play against their teams every week...... but..... some of the teams/coaches we've played against don't even know what size balls their players should be using plus a whole load of other stuff which, in my opinion, compromises the safety of their players, so while I'd like a bit more freedom I'm content with the shackles as dictated to by the "old farts" and in the meantime we'll try and be inventive and "clever" to overcome.... that way we can safely outwit opponents..... All the best
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i'd go with jenks here. Not that R&B's point is wrong... but an open field leaves the situation wherb you may have lads that are capable etc. but the oppo - with ann equally brilliant coach ;-) - doesn't... 9s)he has the same ethos so what do you do?
More dangerously is jenks scenario, where the coaches haven't a clue and their lads are doing stuff that is inappropriate ... you'll still see U9s and u10s being coached squeezeball FFS!
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