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| We often do drop and join them, for team spirit.
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| Ok. There are differing views and examples. So lets move this topic forward. In Jenks' model he states that the use of punishment and forfeits as fun - at what age group does he coach? To that end maybe we can discuss at what age do punsihments/forfeits loose their fun effect and may have a detrimental psychological effect on the actual skills etc being coached? Jonesy
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| Agree great topic and as usual learning lot's that will develop me and subsequently the players.......
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I'm not sure I'd call it punishment, but we do use pressups as a way to measure our success in certain practices. I'm coaching u14s.
For example in a handling grid we will often work up to a golden minute, during that minute mistakes are counted and at the end of the minute the mistakes are totted up and converted to pressups. Usually five per mistake. So 3 drops, 15 pressups - but we do them as a team, coaches as well.
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| Posted before moving to page 2....... I coach U13's. I would add that we do have different approaches depending on the activity and whether it is team or individual, I include "pods" FR, BR, back 3 as individuals within their specific drills. For this we do use positive encouragement and self-analysis where we try and let the players come up with the solution themselves and don't criticise ie. where would it be good to use this type of move/sequence, if you were here what would you want to do/achieve. At a recent game we arrived to find we were playing on a 3/4 size pitch which was narrow for our type of game. We asked what they would do differently in the game to create space and move the defense out of position and they came up with their own solutions, we as coaches just then reminded them of what they had come up with for the duration of the match. I think it's horses for courses and having different approaches for different situations. A different post but didn't want you guys thinking we just beast the boys...... i hated that myself as a player but we do want it to be fun.......
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| Tooky! How do you reward good technique/performance? Verbal praise? Jonesy
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| Based on your responses I've been analysing why we do things previously described. In a game there are rewards for getting things right (winning) and consequences for getting things wrong (loosing). Of course sometimes you can play to the best of your abilities as individuals and as a team and still loose but even here there is satisfaction of achievement in the performance. Individuals within the team have different needs and their needs maybe for positive encouragement and others need positive criticism but there are always consequences for an action or decision whether they be good or bad (not so good). During a match the challenge is to perform which will hopefully result in a W. In training should we not be replicating the same? So an excercise/"punishment" can be the consequence in the same way a try being scored against us. Sometimes it doesn't feel so good. If we challenge our players to get things right and they understand the consequences of not it is not a punishment. The wrestling is just for fun to release the intensity afterall my lot are only 13. Our challenge as coaches is just to vary and stimulate when practicising the basics. This will hopefully develop sound core skills and technique and thus develop the player.
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| I have been coaching junior rugby from Under 9's to Under 19's for the last 12 years and have tried various coaching methods and approaches. Some work and some don't, many are as Jenks states dependant upon age,ability, individual players and their needs. Currently I try hard not to create a negative environment but one of positive encouragement and feedback. When things go wrong I remind them of times when they performed the task correctly during games and in training sessions thus getting them to try and remember and visualise those moments. Thank you all for your contributions, it has proven that coaches also have to be sports psychologists!!!!
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| That bit about being a sport shrink is very applicable when applied to younger players. Last year I coached seniors and this year I moved to /21's and it is obvious that a lighter hand is needed with the youngsters.
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| One of the biggest problems in the world today is the lack of consequences and taking responsibility for our actions & the results of our actions. I cant believe that COACHES are debating the merits of 'punishment' for poor training! While there are some semantic subtleties in the above posts which show diversity (which is GOOD!) what worries me is that so many of us are so caught up in not being 'negative' & protecting our players that we're abdicating our responsibility to teach them: 1 that sport (Rugby in our case) like life, has consequences good & bad 2 that the way they handle consequences good and bad has a bearing on their development I'd love to see more coaches out there taking responsibility for their players' wellbeing and development with an holistic approach. We all need to 'coach with consequence'- the old classic 'practice doesnt make perfect, PERFECT practice makes perfect' comes to mind- players will not develop/ improve if there are no consequences for poor skill execution. the HOW is to an extent dependent on the age of the players we are responsible for, but ultimately, as coaches we should be able to differentiate between lack of effort/ concerntration in applying skills Vs lack of ability/ fatigue induced errors. We should also be able to justify fitness forfeits/ punishments for poor effort/ concerntration in the larger context of the training environment. Again, the level that you coach will be the indicator for what you do. Some practical examples for inexperienced coaches: Beginners at ALL levels & U7-U9 rugby: 10 Dropped balls in a specific training block= 3-5 push ups/ sit ups Intermediate players U10-U15 rugby: 5 dropped balls in a specific training block = 10 push ups/ sit ups/ half field sprint Advanced players U16-U21 rugby: 3-5 dropped balls in a specific training block = 10-15 push ups/ sit ups/ full field sprint Again, as coaches we should know our players & their physical, technical ability as well as their group developmental stage (beginners, intermediates, mixed etc) appropriate progressions (periodisation & time of season) so each model will differ slightly, but PLEASE, lets COACH WITH CONSEQUENCE!
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