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| How to cope with the frustration of poor refereeing decisions... 1. Act in a mature fashion. Ranting and raving on the sideline will incense the players sending them the wrong signals. The referee is unlikely to respond positively either and might even over compensate against you. 2. Use a mental coping strategy. A referee's decision is final, so you cannot change the past. Some people "wipe away" the decision with a physical action, like throwing imaginary salt over their shoulder, or clicking their fingers. Others laugh at it, make it a joke and move one. Another way is to put it in the context of a wider "global" picture, saying they could be in a far worse place than this. 3. Use a half time "sweetener" to help your team in the second half. There is no point in telling the referee where he went wrong in the first half, but you might want to avoid making "errors" in his eyes in the second half. Ask him if he could clarify why some decisions were made so you don't make the same mistakes in the second half. Don't be sarcastic, be positive. 4. Know that some days you are going to get the referee from hell. It will happen sometime in the season. So don't get overly concerned. And finally 5. Don't approach the referee after the game about his decisions. You know you will find it hard to maintain the right sort of level of conversation, so what's the point. I write this knowing how difficult it is to referee and that sometimes as a referee you do make mistakes. However we coaches also make mistakes and the players more so. One referee will rarely ruin a season.
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| Part of the trick is to work out whether he is being consistently 'bad'. If he is then you need to get your players to adapt to whatever they are doing 'wrong'. If he's being inconsistent then you really need to bite your lip and accept it's just one of those days.
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and remind yourself that refereeing is a crap job that you don't fancy and that if he wasn't doing it you wouldn't be having a game at all
easier when watching than when playing mind...
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| Sorry but I can't agree with Big Steve on this point. I posted a similar point on Dan C column about a ref we had last week. He was the worst I have seen. I am fed up with this argument that without referees we would not have a game. Well these refs have chosen to be referees. That does not give them the right to be bad referees. If I decided to be baker, I would not expect people to say that without this baker I would not have any bread. Referees(particularly bad ones) hide behind this argument and it is not on. Rugby coaches(good ones) are always trying to get better. If they don't get better or are bad coaches then they don't get to coach. So why should bad referees be allowed to referee????
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... I follow your point. But... they get to ref is they are bad because otrhers won;t step up to the mark. It really is that simple.
It IS true that without a ref there is no game. Even a bad one. Unless someone else is prepared to do it - and of course also do a better job of it.
Until such time that the regs of the game require a society ref that has has a program of assessment and CPD behind him for EVERY game or it CANNOT go ahead, "we" will always somewhere, sometime end up with "poor" refs.
I doubt that position is ever tenable.
So - what's the solution then?
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Leechy (05/12/2008)
So why should bad referees be allowed to referee???? For the same reason that bad coaches coach, bad barmen serve bad beer and bad chefs cook bad food. Because bad is better than "NONE" If the bad are encouraged and helped then they can become better or even "GOOD" but if the bad are belittled and abused then they disappear and become none existent which means NO REFS = NO GAME. If you as a coach can help players become better then can't you help or encourage refs to get better as well? Or do you expect to open a box and have a world class standard referee pop out every time? Just like you get bad refs, you also get bad coaches and when they are told they are bad they don't like it. Especially if they believe that they are good. Instead of giving people a hard time for not performing to your extremely high standards try to help them improve just a little. You will find the rewards for all are tremendous. By the way I am a new level 1 coach and a junior level referee. I am trying to improve myself from all angles. When did you do your refereeing badge? Rant over - if you can't help the whole rugby community then the worse it will be for all.
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Rugby DOES' hide behind its code to cover incompetence. We all know it, and to a certain extent, we all have to accept it.
Rugby is a joy when played with a good ref but it is dangerous when you have a bad or, worse still, a weak ref.
I am with dogstar here. Working out the ref is as important as working out the opposition.
I have said before that I have only come across one truly bias ref in my time in rugby.
Ive had quite a few bad ones as a player and now as a dad/club helper/supporter.
It depends where you stand as to if a ref is bad. If you win, is he still bad?
If you lose, is it because you couldnt read him or didnt bother to read him?
I like a flowing, non fussy ref. I like one who allows players to sort out things like offside,' with a little reminder of how it will feel if they do it again. (The game has no future if players get away with obvious cheating without consequences that view will be popular but it is that, 'if you cheat-you get it' attitude that made sure the game is enjoyable and playable.
I never abuse the ref and was proud when a ref told me recently how well my son took his punishment when he was yellow carded. My son jumped to block a kick out of the 22 from a five yard breakdown and was binned for a high tackle attempt. Even their supporters were
embarrassed by this.
I didnt know till the end of the game, why he had been binned as he never made contact. In this situation, the boy kicking the ball was wrong under the ELV's and the team had just been told they cant kick from there. Their coach was screaming to kick as he was hoping for a 'scrum' reset..., which he got!
That was bad refereeing.
He allowed their coach to control the game.
He allowed cynical play to prosper
He binned a boy who simply forced a mistake from the defending team.
He warned about breach of ELV rules but did not act within a minute of that warning.
I was watching with our other refs and i asked if a penalty try could have been given for the cynical stoppage of a try scoring opportunity, as it was little different to other instances where a pen try would be awarded. One said he would have binned the kicker for doing something he had just been warned about.
one tiny incident in very poor game. They were super cynical, every flat hand was stamped on, that sort of thing. We did not respond and were beaten! Not that important in results terms but valuable in teaching terms.
In the bar afterwards, everyone was 'jolly nice'. No one mentioned how poor the ref was as its well known that he doesnt take criticism that kindly.
This man is our own ref!
He is my sounding board, my reference point. I know he is a good fair man who will try his best to look after the lads.
He was 'over-fair' in that game imo, but my opinion doesnt count!
Is he a bad ref! No, because
We do need less opinion and clearer rules so that these discrepancies do not occur.
If you take on being a reef then you need to keep up and have the honesty to look at yourself or have a trusted friend to judge you.
Some clubs will get in a weak ref so they can manipulate him, we all know that goes on!
Btw
Im too old to become a referee but that does not mean that anybody who is a referee would be any better or any worse!!!
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