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| Could someone please outline what they think the advantages of "sealing" are? I presume that the main one is that less players are committed to the breakdown in attack and hence the attacking team has more players out wide to create overlaps and take advantage of space. There would also be less chance of getting turned over/pilfered if you successfully seal?? I am correct?
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| 1. Puts more emphasis on speed to ruck as opposed to size (even small players can seal well provided they arrive earlier than the opposition.) 2. Reduces contest for ball. 3. Choice about when to release the ball from the ruck. 4. Less men committed (as for 2.). 5. Creates a ruck situation (I know this is not technically true) - meaning that the referee is more likely to penalise the opposition. Collectively these adavantages favour a wide multi-phase game (Australian). I disagree with those people say that sealed ball is necessarily slower - it is on average, but not massively. A clean-out rucking style (no sealing) favours the pick and go style (from the base of the ruck), and can be good for providing some go forward, however it is very vulnerable to turnovers, and lacks width. If you practice 2 or 3 phase patterns you could use clean-out rucks on these, assuming that your players will be their first as there are no decisions to be taken. Both styles can be negated by getting two defenders into the tackle, and slowing the ball down this way. A way of adapting to the new rules is to use a hammer (i.e. supporting player binding on to ball carrier). He can then go to ground with the ball carrier, in a protective fashion, which at the least buys you some time.
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| I agree with what you have said above. I coach u/19 level and am considering spending alot of pre season time and effort into sealing. It will give us a greater chance of success in playing a wider game. What are the technical aspects of sealing? I would presume putting your arms and head on the far side of your player who is on the ground (whilst staying on your feet). This will prevent the opposition from getting to the ball. Surely speed of the breakdown has more to do with ball placement and halfback availability than wether the clearout man cleans past the ball or stops at the ball to seal?
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| Flexibility. As in the other modern technique I don't necessarily like (squeezeball, laying the egg ... whatever), I want my players to be safe when they attempt these things. If they are going to seal a ruck, I don't want their head/neck in a bad position, I want their backs/shoulders slightly above hips - I just want them strong and safe. I've found that most people who put themselves in the dangerous head down, butt up position don't really have the flexibility to get into a good position while being low enough to do the deed. Hips, hamstrings, lower back - lots of stuff you can look up, and I've even started passing on yoga and pilates stretches (but not telling the lads that!) for them to do at home. In fact, it was my softening on the idea of doing such things that helped my own back issues - the downward facing dog being particularly useful. (Reason #13 I no longer belong in the front row union - BUT, I've seen some GP teams do things in pre-game warm ups which are essentially yoga moves, so we all have to come around sometime.)
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| 1. "What are the technical aspects of sealing? I would presume putting your arms and head on the far side of your player who is on the ground (whilst staying on your feet). This will prevent the opposition from getting to the ball. " An old, particularly effective, way of sealing was to place the back of your head on the stomach of the tackled player and grip his shirt with your hands. With the new refereeing climate I doubt this is wise, but it points towards the key aspects of succesful sealing: 1. Your body is between the opposition and the ball. 2. Your body is in a stable position. 3. The ball is not past your hindmost foot. My way of incorporating these three demands and the current interpretation of the laws is to have the sealing player bind on the player on the ground but still supporting their own weight. This is easy enough.The sealer has his feet significantly offset (one quite close to the body and one much further back) allowing the ball to placed away from the front of the ruck, and is so low that it is very difficult to get under him to push off the ball. If he is pulled forward then he is still in an effective position. However any technique which accounts for the key factors above should work. I hope this is clear enough! 2. "Surely speed of the breakdown has more to do with ball placement and halfback availability than whether the clearout man cleans past the ball or stops at the ball to seal?" Yes, these are key factors, but the pile up of bodies that can result from players sealing can also be significant at times.
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The key to being the first support player to the tackle is to attack, own and protect the space beyond the ball
By being past the ball you are then in a position to take out anyone trying to get to it and allow time and space for your next support player to play the ball or to come in and be another blocker/protector if necessary
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| Go beyond the ball and you are relying on other players. Also you are in a weaker position as the player on the floor isn't stopping the defensive ruckers placing their feet close to yours.
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| Given all the research and the top level games, the seal is becoming a thing of the past. The key at the breakdown must be keeping players on their feet.
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Hi Iolo
The fact is you are relying on other players because if you are there on your own you are going to get monstered - this is why especially from tackle situations from a set piece everyone should know their role - how many are we willing to commit to a ruck if the ball is available how are we going to play on
Where should second pod support be running to and at what angles
As players arrive say the 7 and 8 from a scrum the player behind must be communicating to the one in front if they should go in and clean or protect while he is looking to see if he can pick up the ball and play on or to tell them it is good to pick up and he is there is support for a pop
re the space beyond the ball you can still be protecting it with one foot beyond the guy on the ground and the back foot just behind the ball while your upper body is past him - this is as opposed to getting in a position where the chest is above the ball or the head is above the player on the ground
The key is to have your head up and scanning for opposition players coming in and to drive forward to take them out at the last second before contact and thereby avoiding being a static target
There is a good drill for practicing this called one man one bullet
have a ball on the ground with 3 defenders side by side and facing forward protecting the ball and 4 or 5 more about 2 or 3 yards behind them
Get 5 attackers with hit shields 3 yards in front of the defenders in a line facing them
Start this slow and build up - one attacker moves forward and the defender in the best position to protect the ball from them drives forward just before contact and drives them back and away from the ball
another defender from behind must immediately move i and take their position as another attacker comes forward
If it is the middle defender who goes forward one of the ones either side must immediately move in and over the ball and the new defender reads this and fills the gap
All the time being aware of where the ball is on the ground and not making contact with it
As the attackers speed up communication and vision become essential
Key points
Good body position
eyes up and always scanning
timing the defensive drive for just before contact and winning the collision
Communication to see the ball is always defended and that only one man goes for an attacker not 2 which leaves the ball exposed
Add ons
a couple of cones to act as a gate for the defenders to cycle through as they return from a hit and a man on the ground protecting the ball so the defenders must be aware of not tripping or walking all over him
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| I know I must be coming across as quite argumentative, so I promise I will stop after this post. Wrt your comment Dan, I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'the research'. Also having watched a number of games with my eyes almost entirely fixed on the rucking side of things (both top-level and u15s) I can say that sealing has been used in every one. Personally, I don't see how referees are going to stop it: too many players do it; and even those who do not have the intention on stopping over the ball end up doing precisely this. These players often end up in even worse positions (lying on the ball). This is beacuse the one consistent element in rucking styles is getting lower than your opponent. Munster (who must be one of the faves for the Heineken) nearly always end up creating static ruck situations with piles of bodies. Referees don't allow players to come over the top in situations like this, nor say that the ball is out, which I thinkk it technically must be (if all the players are off their feet). I am not saying this helps the game as a spectacle - I'm just trying to be pragmatic. I attach a link to a video where Eddie Jones provides a commentary over footage from the recent Viadana game. As well as being an interesting watch, it also shows that Saracens' game is firmly based on a sealing approach. They also utilise the hammer to get a supporting sealing player first to the breakdown (e.g. 1.04, 2.07), which I talked about in an earlier post. Hope this is of interest and doesn't appear like point-scoring, which it's not meant to be.
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