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| on friday night an under 15 dewar-shield game took place in my local town so i thought i would have a look. during the game the ref made 2 very strange decisions. if he was correct then all good and he did the right thing but i have feeling he made some extremely poor calls. early in the 2nd half 1 team were attacking in between half-way and oppositions 10m line. a ruck was formed and a defender came in from the side and killed the ball. fair enough a talking to and possible yellow card, however he showed the player a straight red!! with this the team who had the penalty called a scrum to try and use the advantage at scrum. however, the ref told the team that their number 8 had to leave he scrum. when asked if the 6 could move out the ref stated he couldn't and it had to be the 8 to create a 3 - 4 formation. is this a rule? from this in my opinion the red card did nothing for the home team and the number 8 waho was a very good dynamic ball-carrier couldn't be in the scrum and couldn't pick and go (something he had done all night with great success). further due to their not being a player in the 8 position the ball kept flying out from the second-rows feet and created huge problems for the attack. can anyone state if this is actually a rule? anyhow further, the ref then sent-off another player from the same team for killing the ball in exactly the same position. no warning or even a yellow prior. be interested to hear your views? i'm all for punishing offenders but surely at u15 level explanations and even yellow cards should suffice?
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early in the 2nd half 1 team were attacking in between half-way and oppositions 10m line. a ruck was formed and a defender came in from the side and killed the ball. fair enough a talking to and possible yellow card, however he showed the player a straight red!!
Had the ref previously warned that side/both sides that he was tired of negative play and the next to transgress would get a red? Not uncommon.
>with this the team who had the penalty called a scrum to try and use the advantage at scrum. however, the ref told the >team that their number 8 had to leave he scrum. when asked if the 6 could move out the ref stated he couldn't and it >had to be the 8 to create a 3 - 4 formation. is this a rule?
Yes. IRB Under 19 variations.
> from this in my opinion the red card did nothing for the home team
Aside from the fact they had a man advantage for the rest of the match you mean?
>and the number 8 waho was a very good dynamic ball-carrier couldn't be in the scrum and couldn't pick and go >(something he had done all night with great success).
FTR I agree here. I hear the aruments about scrum stability etc, buit wouldnagree it actually tactically dimnishes the options available, and also (IMO) leads to a far scappier game as the ball is less well/able to be controlled at the base.
>further due to their not being a player in the 8 position the ball kept flying out from the second-rows feet and created >huge problems for the attack. can anyone state if this is actually a rule?
see above.
>anyhow further, the ref then sent-off another player from the same team for killing the ball in exactly the same position.
see above. Was there a "global warning" in place?
I do sympathise with your point about U15, YCs and ewarnings but if the level of transgression was so bad for a "global warning" to be in place this suggests to me the players were so badl;y coached that they had no idea that what they were doing was incorrect/illegal, or they have been instructed/chosen to deliberately fall foul of the laws.
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| The U19 scrum variations can actually hurt a team if the opposition get a player carded, as the No.8 of the non offending team has to be removed to give a 3-4 formation. That No.8 may have been keeping his side in the game with skilled pick ups etc., and without him there, mayhem and benefit to the opposition. that is surely wrong. I think it would be much better if the variation insisted the pack stays at 8 at all times, and the backs go down to 6, and if this means bringing another forward on to replace a back them so bit. This may then penalise the offending side. The red card issue at U15 is a bit drastic, even if it was a cup tie, esp[ecially for a technical offence. Boys are not learning if they are sent off and this may actively discourage them. Yellows are fine, and may help the learning curve, as the coach can have a word with the player, who is then back on and hopefully learning from his experience.
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| I agree wholeheartedly with the sanctions i.e. yellow Vs red for technical infringements- dirty play & or assault at ANY level should be an automatic red... I have a problem with the scrum variation & agree that the backs should rather drop a man, but the law is an *** & by the same token, so are the law makers but I digress! The big problem is that there are so many variations & interpretations- had an eml from Dan the other day talking about lineout & the reciever & it was RIDICULOUS how many interpretations there were across nations! Add that to school/ club situations with differing ability, knowledge or competence in referees & we have a recipe for a disaster!  it boggles the mind, but HOW do we fix it!?
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| the referee in fact did not issue any warnings to either team and the game in fairness was not characterised by offences at the breakdown which made the red card's very strange. if a warning had been issued then yes i may have seen the big picture but i didn't and i was the coach of the other team! with regards to the srcum law i have found out that yes the ref made the correct call, however as previously stated this totally hindered us. it is true that you shouldn't have to rely on 1 player but when this player get's the team going forward, gives players a target and ultimately controls the ball at the back of a scrum it's strange that we were also penalised for the oppositions apparent wrong-doing. never mind i noticed the ref running the line at the scarlets/munster game so he must have had better games!!
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