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| I was talking with Barry Honan, the former Wallaby, the other day and he mentioned the new experimental law variations (ELVs) being tested in various countries at the moment. Each July, Barry runs the annual Gold Coast Rugby Carnival in Queensland. After negotiating with the IRB’s Paddy O'Brien, all 21 of the current proposed ELVs will be trialed in all 170+ games during the Carnival this year (2007). Paddy O'Brien and Rod Macqueen will be present to discuss the ELVs with referees and coaches before the event, and also to assess their effectiveness throughout the event. I’d be very keen to hear your thoughts or even experiences of playing and coaching the new ELVs. For example, how might / does the long lineout affect team strategy, and when or where on the pitch might a team use it? Does / would the new maul law favour defending teams, or might attacking teams have tactics to overcome the rules? Does / would allowing hands in the ruck turn the game into an 80 minute ruck “free for all”, or encourage quality passing before contact? I’d appreciate your views. Toby
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Does anyone know where things are re the ELVs? Are they going to come into force and if so when?
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The South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby Unions (SANZAR) have adopted certain of the Experimental Law Variations (ELVs) for the 2008 Super 14 competition, which kicked off on Friday, 15th February. The objectives are to keep the ball in play longer, encourage running rugby, and so create a free-flowing, faster style of play. The intention is to make the game simpler to understand. The variations adopted by SANZAR are:
Corner posts Corner posts will be positioned at the outside junction of the goal and touch lines.
i) If a player in possession of the ball touches a corner post he will not be in touch unless he touches the touchline or the ground beyond the touchline.
ii) If the ball is not being carried by a player and it touches the corner post the ball will be deemed to be in touch in goal. Clearing passes when defender outside the 22m area If a defending player receives the ball outside their 22m area and passes, puts or takes the ball back inside the 22: i) If the ball is then kicked directly into touch, the lineout is in line with where the ball was kicked.
ii) But if a tackle, ruck or maul is subsequently formed and the ball is then kicked directly into touch, the lineout is where the ball crossed the touch line. Breakdown i) Players entering the breakdown area must do so through the gate. ii) Immediately the tackle occurs there are offside lines. iii) The half back / clearing passer should not be touched unless he has his hands on the ball.
Lineouts On a quick throw in, the ball can be thrown straight or backwards towards the defender's goal line, but not forward towards the opposition's goal line. Scrum The offside line for players not involved the scrum (forwards and the scrum half) is 5 metres behind the hindmost foot of the scrum. Sanctions For all offences other than offside, not entering through the gate, and foul play (Law 10), the sanction is a free kick not a penalty.
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| In general what I have seen has been quite posititve within the Super 14. I like the 5m Law at the scrum in particular as it alows for much more creativity form the back line. However, this isnt to say that I agree with all of the alteration. I think that what has happened with the sanctions is not a positive move as there seems to be a greter willingness to get yourself pinged knowing that it's more liikely to reult in a free kick. In addition to this the laws at the breakdown seems to remove any fight for the ball on the floor which along with competitive scrums and line-outs differentiates our game from League. I cant deny that some of these rules do put more pace into the game but i just wonder where things are going and if the consrtant rush toward speeding the gave up and simplifying it for spectators is removing some of the eliments of the game that attracted me to the game as a kid. I think we haveto make sure that some of these rules dont filter all the way down to jumior level as, as a fat kid at 13 who was never very quick about the park I have to ask myself 'would I have started playing a game that is so loose, where my natural attributes hampered me rather than were advantagious?
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| Hi ANFY B, You sum up many of my own thoughts better than I could. Personally I like 30-man mud bath games, as much as hard-pitch "running back" matches. I think the determination to keep the ball "visible" and moving, preferably in the hands of the most skilful runners, may be counter productive. Certainly the "game for all sizes" element may be lost. I don't, though, think the new laws will put off youngsters in general from playing. By this I mean there may well be fewer "fat kids", but more kids in general will take up the game, trying to emulate the likes of Habana and Williams, rather than Leonard or Le Roux. I suspect the iRB don't care about this inherent change, providing the numbers playing keeps going up. Whether we should be bothered that specific skill levels elsewhere may diminish is subjective, but I think this would make the game more one-dimensional and/or reliant on, for instance, props who can bench press 240lb and yet don't know how to bind properly.
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| The IRB has announced a global trial of the ELVs. The trail will be for a 12 month period starting 1 August 2008. The press release says that the trial "at all levels of the game" will involve 13 of the 23 ELVs that have been undergoing experimentation. Does this mean that all clubs, irrespective of their level, will be playing under these ELVs next season?
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| The IRB has announced a global trial of the ELVs. The trail will be for a 12 month period starting 1 August 2008. The press release says that the trial "at all levels of the game" will involve 13 of the 23 ELVs that have been undergoing experimentation. Does this mean that all clubs, irrespective of their level, will be playing under these ELVs next season?
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| the short answer to that would be "Yes". Even Old Twattbaggians Vets or 7th XV.... We do however await (biut not with breath held) the variations for the youth and mini/midi game (using English nomenclature) - collasping mauls at U9? Nahh... surely? didds
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