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| Talking about the ruck and how you coach it, have you seen this? http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2024288.html Last weekend we had a prematch overview given by the referee, where he clearly laid out what he expected from our players and how/why/when he would blow for an infringement. So tackler to move away from th etackle area immediately, no sealing/bridging and if in contact/engaged even with one of your own players over the ball/ruck no hands in - even to 'if trying to feed the ball' towards the back of the ruck. It was clear, concise and he did referee to his clear instructions throughout the game.....
Darren Club Coaching CoordinatorHavant RFCccc@havantrfc.co.ukwww.havant-rfc.co.uk
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| yeah i was gonna mention this as a side note - in effect sealing or bridging of the ball is no longer applicable as it is being clamped down on really hard - as a coach of a physically small side i have personally spent a lot of time focusing on and developing this technique as one of the major factors of ball retention during contact, it seems my side will need to develop a fresh approach
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| Watching the Dragons vs Glasgow game last night none of these changes in the interpretation of the ruck laws seemed to be in effect. My personal view is rules have been deliberately interpreted in a way favouring the attacking side, and that these changes, if brought in, would make it much harder for the attacking side. So I don't think they will be here to stay, if they arrive at all.
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| Here's an article from Dan's blog of September 8th, 2008 Teams losing their feet over old law Sealing and bridging is confirmed as illegal. This month referees were told to be more vigilant in the tackle contest area and lots of teams struggled. This is mainly because of poor technique in the contact area. Players go off their feet because they are not balanced as they arrive and they tend to drive down and not up. Here is that ruling again, plus a clip of a ruck drill. From the IRB website: Law 15 - Tackle It has become evident that players are going to ground over or on ball carriers which has become known as sealing off. On some occasions they remain in that position and fail to move away contravening Law. Furthermore players are going to ground or on top of players after a tackle thereby ensuring that the opposition cannot contest possession. Such actions are in breech of Laws 15.6 (g), 15.7 (c) and 15.7 (d). Referees are requested to be more vigilant in this area of the Game and to ensure that both teams are treated equally at the breakdown. Law 16 - Ruck It has become common practice for players to move the ball from rucks using their hands and to pick the ball up in a ruck to form a maul. It is also evident that players of the ball carrying team are being allowed to handle the ball in the ruck when defenders are being told to leave the ball alone. Law 16.4 (d) is to be refereed at all times and applied to both the attacking and defending teams. Click here to visit Dan's blog and see a little drill from the Ford Rugby Academy to help your players stay on their feet.
Toby Curthoys
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| I posted on this subject over a month ago but no one commented! Do not get confused - this is nothing to do with the ELVs, merely an enforcement of existing law. Refs have allowed sealing off/bridging and hands in the ruck for years and it has been coached into the game - now it will have to be coached out! We have concentrated quite hard in this area over the last month and it has resulted in our rucking improving. Guys are now clearing out hard, going low to high. If they clear out all the defenders and the tackled player and the ball are left isolated on the ground, the next support player (hopefully the 9!) is in quick and the ball is away - previously the support player came in and sealed off the ball. If the 9 is tied in or not the first support player there, we are picking and going at pace with support. Our management of the ball in contact, offloading and ball retention has improved significantly.
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Ianthesmudger: Clearly you're well ahead of the game both at the forum and with your coaching! Interesting and well-noted that you've had good success with coaching ways to accommodate the enforcement of the rules. Long may it continue.
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hello hello
great site 
if bridging is illegal now because it is a form of sealing off, then wont the ruck be almost 'dead' as we know it?
i read the earlier posts and irb links about 'clearing out' and how that is to be stopped too. what is left of the ruck!
in days past in the carling era, the back row took the ball in contact but did not always go to ground. instead they turned and a maul formed and the s/h took the ball from the chest of the carrier and started a new phase.
is this the way forward?
i liked playing this style of rugby because it was faster and avoided being dumped on by fat props but i also remember england being heavily critisied for it at the time.
(the back row player was tim rodber.)
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weathergirls (16/09/2008)
if bridging is illegal now because it is a form of sealing off,
its not illegal NOW - its ALWAYS been illegal. It was however decided to be ignored at the more elite levels and its insidious practise then became emulated increasingly further down the ladder. Ditto squint feeding at scrums and lineouts etc.
didds
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that reply sort of missed the point.
the game is played with bridging and clearing out.
i do mean bridging and not just laying on.
i accept your point that it was illegal before now but i didnt know that till a couple of months ago.
i played and trained to what the ref would allow
its always stressed to the boys who play at my club that they must play the ref and see early- what he will allow.
there is no doubt that different refs play 'differing' rules and the one i learned quickly was the ten yards for any gob.
interesting that our coaches teach at private schools and at county level, one was a professional player, yet they teach/taught this way.
if this is enforced then the game will be radically changed. i wonder how it will be played in future.
there were refs at a boys tournament at the weekend. who were not playing these rules.
they just stressed that boys must stay on their feet.(they did give elv talks and advice).
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