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Posted 29/06/2007 18:51:24
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I dunno about lasses on a crash mat but watch this everyone, you'll love it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz0_An6RH5k&NR=1

Watch those league guys hit!
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Posted 29/06/2007 18:52:17
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Sorry, should have put the link in properly

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Posted 30/06/2007 00:33:43


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sparky (28/06/2007)
If you use the tacklee (BC) to get back on your feet, is that classed as not releasing the taclee? I first noticed George Smith doing it some years ago and then the AB's seemed to take up the 'practice'. I've often thought it unfair.

I've been coaching this for almost 15 years and I can count the number of times one of my players have been "Pinged" for it on one hand.  In all honesty you are probably correct, but I have two points of contention:

  • The Tackler has released the ball carrier and is fulfilling his duty, which is to get to his feet, once he has done so he can rejoin the game.  The fact that the most convenient place to put his hands when getting back to his feet is on his opponent is unfortunate.
  • Secondly play the whistle, if the ref doesn't blow then it's ok in his eyes and you will win more turnover ball. 

I seek a way to gain an advantage occasionally that takes me to the edge of the Law and this is one of those cases, but it is important that the players know what they are trying to achieve in every aspect of the game.  This is best achieved by the coach analyzing every part of the game, clearly defining their objectives of each phase and developing techniques to achieve those objectives.  The final part of the coaches role in this is to sell this to his players and provide exercises so that the players are comfortable with the techniques necessary to achieve the objectives.

If you always do what you've always done

You'll always have what you've always had.

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Posted 30/06/2007 12:15:54
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A case of the 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not get found out."

The way RL players operate in this area can be instructive if you are looking to "flex" things to your advantage. Using the BC to push up off (having of course made sure he is on his back) as mentioned. Also they try to slip a hand between the ball and the BC's body or even just inside the BC's arms. Not trying to hold the ball or pull it free but as the tackler disentangles himself and stands up, the removal of the hand can cause the ball to bobble loose. If skillfully done it can look like a fumble. In RU terms just the presence of that hand close to the ball could just cause the BC to hang on a bit too long for the ref's liking or prevent him placing the ball back. Nothing as unsubtle as grabbing an arm or the ball.

Don't think that the tackler has it all his way, the BC in league can sometimes get a hold of the front of the tackler's jersey holding him down onto him an win a holding down penalty. That with plenty of thrashing as though trying to get up can con the ref. In RU refs seem to ping BCs for holding on more then tacklers for holding them down, so may be less effective but would depend on the ref on the day. For the poor ref these things are a 50/50 call a lot of the time.

Naughty? Yes but it is all about playing to the ref's interpretation of the rules on that day. What team would not creep a bit offside if the ref was not calling it? It's just the way it is.
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Posted 04/07/2007 13:21:57
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Actually, Graham Henry advises the tackler to end up on top of the BC. See http://www.rugbysmart.co.nz/plan/technique.html#
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Posted 27/07/2007 15:33:50
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We all know there are so many types of tackle in RU.

It's a science of it's own.

Our club have worked hard to establish various tackle types, what decisions need made prior to selecting the optimum tackle for your team at that moment in the match, what needs to happen throughout the tackle process, what to do on completing the tackle if you have won or have not won the ball.

We have also brought in a Judo coach to give the guys various strategies at tackle time (sometimes called turnover time.)

Some thoughts;

Every team has their preferred defensive system, well documented on this site and very helpful, but the one on one is the building block of the system.

The main priority I look for in this area is a sustained well organised defence that has pressure, width and depth. Eventually the correct choice and execution of a one on one tackle will result in loss of possession.

Within these systems some basic tackle types are found and some examples below;

Head On (rush up system - stop passing movement from going wide)

Side on (Up and out - stop wide ball carrier)

Drive Back (Pillars & Guards around the ruck)

For Head On we want to 'Track' the BC and execute the classis RL tackle described earlier.

As this tackle is succesfully made, we want the closest team mate in on the ball for turnover.The turnover guy is shouting 'Turnover' to let the ref and team mates know he's on the ball, we look at the tackle as the start of our attack.So getting the BC on his back with ball on top is best.

For side on, we want to stop and offload so we get hip to hip and as we scrag him down we slide over, getting to our feet and go for the ball.Again, he's shouting 'Turnover'. Here we want the BC to place the ball away from his body, other wise he gets penalised, but this also helps us get the ball.

For the drive back, we want to keep the ball close to the BC's body to slow down the ball and reduce the effectiveness of thier close pick and drive.Eventually, it slows down the forward momentum. We're not looking for a turnover here, but want the ball to go to the backs where our defensive system has set a trap waiting for the ball.

So Let's say from a set piece, the attack can move across the pitch - we press forward (Head on) - they get it wide (Side On) - they recycle a ruck (Drive Back) - the come back across the pitch (Head on) - they get it wide - and so on. Patience and good execution is needed one on one in each of these scenarios.

Most of our tackle drills feature these different types and some start with a defensive scenario and transition into an attack scenario from a turnover. Our thinking is that defensive systems are weak when aligned for attack.

We've copied a lot from RL as they specialise in the tackle, but RU plays on so where the ball ends up is absolutely vital. Knowing this has led to a deeper undertstanding of what we need to do when we're tackled and what's best for the team in retaining possession.

With set piece being fairly even these days, we coaches need to have this area as a core competence in the team in order to a) have a sustained defence and b) a sustained attack.

The topic on coaching resources shows lots of websites to find defensive drills etc.

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Posted 13/08/2007 16:00:48
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Frenchy,

Very interesting what you say about the Judo coach. One sees league players throwing the tackler to the ground with what look, to the uninitiated, like something that might have come from Judo having held him up for a bit to gain some time.

I can imagine that such techniques could be useful for putting down the big player who is looking to start a maul. Is that one of your uses for those techniques?
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Posted 20/08/2007 16:30:33
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Yip. What we're doing is to work hard at the breakdown that as a minmum we slow down their ball and disrupt the scrum half getting into his clearing pass position.We never go for the legs of the protecting player until we've got our arm under his chest, then the Judo throw we call 'dig' allows us to get his centre of gravity higher and we put him back over his own ball and this hinders the scrum half.This helps to get us in a good counter rucking position and as we drive over the ball we are very vocal to let the ref know we're positively trying to win the ball.

This guy has been a breath of fresh air to us, and to be honest, some of the stuff he's doing is pretty obvious once you see it. The players appreciate his view (particularly when he can demonstrate throwing our big guys at ease and they wonder how he did it) but rather than 'smash' the ruck (which is still a valid option) we're giving the players options which might be better suited for their physique.

The more he makes the coaches understand how we can apply these techniques, the more we've taken our core competence drills and added little adaptations to use them.

The other thing he's reinforced is a 'determined to win' attitude. For a Judo guy, assessing the opposition and probing for weaknesses and exploiting them with your own are of strength as part of their make up. They're always looking to see how they can overcome and win and that's what comes across in the sessions.

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Frenchy

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Posted 22/08/2007 15:27:25
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Frenchy,

That is most interesting. There is so much we can learn from sports like judo. Actually, elsewhere on this forum Philip Copeman recommends martial arts training as a useful adjunct to rugby. Judo would fit the bill very well. To find the nearest judo club...

I have read that wrestling coaches have been used in Australian RL and have brought similar insights and recently some controversy with the "grapple tackle" issue which has been getting much attention over there - effectivley tacklers grabbing the BC around the head and neck as part of the effort to subdue him. Clearly dangerous. Putting an arm bar on a player in a tackle is not what the game is about.

Another area I have been reading up on is what goes on in Gridiron offensive and defensive lines. As we all know the defensive lineman's mission in life is to fight through a wall of blockers and grab the ball carrier (be he a running back or quarter back). The offensive lineman's job is to stop them. It all gets pretty complex and sophisticated pretty quickly - they have raised these things almost to an art form. Still, the situation we find ourselves in at the ruck is not dissimilar. Defenders trying to get to the ball, attackers trying to clear them out, prevent them getting to the ball etc. The way they go about the blocking and getting past the blocks ("block shedding") is interesting. The detail with which it has been worked out is impressive. I am sure there is a lot we could learn from there too.

Sure there are differences - in rugby there are far less restrictions on blockers than there are in gridiron, that is where the judo comes in! One cannot do that in gridiron. I need to find a friendly gridiron coach - it is all very well reading about a drive block, a hook block or a shoulder club - one really needs to see them demonstrated.

Actually, whilst on the subject of gridiron, we are seeing closer attention to stances coming into rugby, for example in ruck defence where 4, 3 and ("linebacker") 2 point stances are coming in. It is well worth looking closely at how these are done in gridiron - one needs coaching manuals and/or coaches. They are very particular about them as getting them even slightly wrong can cause all sorts of problems for the defender. Best to go to the source, gridiron - left to our own devices we are unlikley to get them right!
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