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Posted 30/07/2008 17:54:06
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Hi guys-

Like most other coaches, I'm trying to plan for our upcoming season, including how to work with the ELVs.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what types of attack patterns they will use from free kicks (as they're likely to be more frequent)?

My initial thought is to treat it like we handle attack from a turnover -- move the ball two passes away from the infringement (where there's likely to be congestion/breakdown/etc.), into space, then attack.

Any other considerations? How about defending on free kicks?

Thanks!

Nipper
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Posted 31/07/2008 09:17:47
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well, I would say its a case of heads up play really - pickking the best option at the time.

Id there is any delay in playing the FK a scrum is probably of value as it at least ties up the oppo forwards, and provides oiptions for back row attack with the weak inside hole etc (as per normal).

Otherwsie its a scase of if taken quickly just (as currently?) play depending on what is in front of the FK taker.  It could be as basic as a long kick into space and a chase, it could be two passes wide as mentioned...  it could be there's a blinking great hole right in front of the mark.

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Posted 31/07/2008 10:33:02
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Perhaps I am being dim but are there going to be that many more free kicks as the rule changes do not seem (from what I have read from the IRB) to have downgraded any current penalty offenses into free kicks. The rules that come in as of tomorrow are not the same as those being played in S14.
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Posted 31/07/2008 12:50:27


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Agree with CJP - there are currently no plans to implement the free kick sanctions.

From looking around various site/bloggs and discussions with various people within rugby, there is a very large number of coaches and players who have not either seen or understood which 13 ELV's that are being implemented from tomorrow and how/which laws are effected.

Law 6 - Match Officials

1 Assistant referees are able to assist the referee in any way that the referee requires.

Law 17 - Maul

2 Remove reference to head and shoulders not being lower than hips.

3 Players are able to defend a maul by pulling it down.

Law 19 - Touch and Lineout

4 If a team puts the ball back into its own 22 and the ball is subsequently kicked directly into touch, there is no gain in ground.

5 A quick throw in may be thrown in straight or towards the throwing team’s own goal line.

6 There is no restriction on the number of players from either team who can participate in the lineout.

7 The receiver at the lineout must be 2 metres away from the lineout.

8 The player who is in opposition to the player throwing in the ball must stand in the area between the 5-metre line and the touch line but must be 2 metres away from the 5-metre line.

9 Lineout players may pre-grip a jumper before the ball is thrown in.

10 The lifting of lineout players is permitted.

Law 20 - Scrum

11 Introduction of an offside line 5 metres behind the hindmost feet of the scrum.

12 Identification of scrum half offside lines.

Law 22 – Corner Posts


13 The corner posts are no longer considered to be touch-in-goal except when the ball is grounded against the post.

Further information can be found at: www.irb.com/elvs

I am also aware the RFU within England have set up various ELV workshops, which I would strongly suggest that people attend.

Cheers,.,.

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Posted 31/07/2008 14:20:06
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I guess I need to do a little more homework -- the thought behind my original post was how to attack from FKs that stem from infringements at the breakdown. But, upon further reading, it doesn't appear that that aspect of the ELVs are being trialled? I'm in the US, and I'm not sure if we're using the same set of ELVs as you are in the UK? I'm going to have to have a chat with some of my refs...

If the ruck infringements are sill going to be long-arm penalties, then there won't be a real increase in the amount of FKs.

Thanks, gents.

Nipper
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Posted 01/08/2008 09:58:59


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Nipper,

The 13 ELV's as such are to be trailed globally - though I am aware that the English RFU have not adopted the collapsing of the maul below u19's, but is in for all levels above.

I have had a quick search on the USARUGBY.org site and I can't really find any reference to the ELV's apart from the IRB announcement:

http://www.usarugby.org/Information/DisplayFullStory.asp?NavPageID=69366&ItemID=280856

and their link to the IRB ELV guide

http://www.usarugby.org/media/EDocs/080522_MH_IRB_ELV_Guide_EN_FINAL.pdf

Also here are some FAQ's from the English RFU (with our u19 variations)

http://www.rfu.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/RFUHome.articles_Detail/StoryID/20424

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Posted 04/08/2008 16:45:04
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I would like to see the list of free kick changes (i.e. those that were changed from long-arms to short, and scrums to FK's). Where canthey be found?

SteveJ
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Posted 04/08/2008 23:44:04


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Steve, there are as such no new free kicks being applied to the scrum etc.

Though there is a penalty for the scrum half being offside/further than 1mtre from the scrum (unless he has retired back 5mtre to join the back line)

There are only 13ELV's as list per my previous post.

alternatively go to www.irb.com/elvs to see what ELV's are in place.

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