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RE: Tactics Clips

stacyduv — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:38:00 GMT

Truly one of the harshest things of coaching rugby and working on a tactic and been blown by a not up to speed referee..Even at times if you check before , helluva thing.

RE: Tactics Clips

Red & Black fan — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:27:22 GMT

THAt would be correct- the maul must move off the line of touch, either by being driven FORWARD/ BACKWARD (which in this case we're trying to avoid!) Just make sure the ref is aware of the law- I was involved in an U21 final where we executed that tactic perfectly & got penalised for it- resultant kick gave the opposition the game by 1 point... :crying: The ref acknowledged his error AFTER the game but that didnt help 25 ppl who'd done EVERYTHING to get to a final & lose it in the last minute to poor officiating!

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slimadey — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:42:39 GMT

We had it done on us 4/5 years ago where the opposition jump away from our driving line out and left a clear path to the try line only to hear a whistle and see the ref signaling a penalty.

Would i be correct in saying that if a "maul" is set off a line out, the diffence do not engage, the "Maul"/ball carrier does not move, then there is still an off side line as the ball has not left the line out?

Slimadey

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spainandy — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:19:57 GMT

Something similar...Watching Boks vs Blacks on Saturday, I think just about every received kick off was turned into a driving maul by the Boks. No-one engaging with the maul from kick off and a player nipping round the back to steal the ball works too. In the good old days I used to be the unfortunate nipping around...got some bumps for my efforts...wasn't popular popping around there! can't do it too often!

spain andy

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kingy4475 — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:58:03 GMT

I truly great tactic if not brave, as it would take a lot of discipline from the forwards not to get involved initially at the lineout.

The sight of the opposition forwards getting a good trundle on must seem alien to your side.

Good communication and understanding must be paramount, I also feel that this tactic must be rehearsed constantly for it to work as well as it is shown in the video clips.

I shall put this in to a session this week with the instructions to my forwards to take the lineout and form a maul. I will play the lone defender and employ the tactic of the hooker.I can hear them bleating about off-side already!!!

If rehearsed and understood by all, what a fantastic weapon to use against big mauling sides.

RE: Tactics Clips

Angus — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:44:16 GMT

If the referee is spoken to before the game and agrees they will award at least a scrum and preferably a penalty I would be more inclined to use the tactic in my own 22

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didds — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:47:56 GMT

indeed the ref could... usually the "tactic" these days is for an "italian" to bump into the front of the phalanx of opposition, raise his hans incredulously and look queryigly at the ref.

However, the clear interpreattion by refs at the last world cup when this tactic was seen on several occassions was to call T&T BUT award only a scrum to the "italians" for "accidental". (I can;t comment on whether this interpretation is correct or not; you'd have to ask Paddy O'Brien).

Tacling the rear most man of the phalanx seems to me a better method of forcing pressure as it leaves the rest of the oppo forwards the wrong side of the tackle and could well reate a turnover in open play anyway.

didds

RE: Tactics Clips

Toby — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:47:31 GMT

This is what Dan wrote about the tactic in this week's Better Rugby Coaching (www.betterrugbycoaching.com):

What do you do in the opposition's 22m when they have the lineout throw? Here's an article describing an innovative (though not unique) tactic the Italians sometimes use. I've included it today because not only is it a brave and effective tactic, but also I've found a great clip to illustrate it.

Instead of competing for the ball in the air, instead of driving into the jumper when they reach the ground, instead of pulling the jumper to the ground before a maul forms… the Italians do nothing!

As expected the opposition catch the ball and, as they've practised frequently, quickly form a "cluster" of players around the jumper. A team mate rips the ball from the jumper and moves it to the back of the "cluster", where, under usual circumstances, it would be safest.

Crucially, however, because the Italians aren't engaging there's no maul. This means their hooker can whip around behind the opposition "cluster" and tackle the ball carrier at the back. Since there's no maul, there's no offside - just confused opponents.

If you're going to try this yourself, you should note the following key points:

Before the game tell the referee about the tactic. It will look unusual and any referee who is caught unawares may not see it in the correct light and penalise you.
You must make no effort to compete for the ball at the lineout. Even better step away from the opposition. This avoids any chance of contact.
The tactic's best performed in their 22m area. You will lose ground, but should cause enough confusion to give you an advantage.
Spread your defenders in the lineout, so any efforts by the opposition to perform a peel (where the jumper pops the ball to a runner) can be thwarted.

RE: Tactics Clips

Angus — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:35:32 GMT

Even without the hooker going in to tackle the ball carrier surely the ref should have pulled up the mauls for truck and trailer?

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Scrumsrus — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:00:53 GMT

:D I suggested this at a coaching course a few years ago and it was poo - pooed by the other coaches / coach ed staff :Whistling: at the course, because I was a bit unsure :unsure: of using it and had limited opportunity to try it out I never used it. :sick: :crazy: The moral isn't hard to see and it's one I have learned, keep your own council and try it out, it's ideas like this that help develop the game and give you the advantage. :D

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liamjefford — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:12:36 GMT

Well that is very interesting:)

Tactics Clips

Toby — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:28:29 GMT

The Italian Lineout Tactic