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RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:39:20 GMT

Thanks Didds :)

What it proves is:

1. It is always better to be prepared.

2. Know thy enemy.

3. Don't expect to WOW them every time.

4. They are very lucky to have any coaching at all (whether it was me or someone else)

Actually I didn't "stuff it up", but I know I could have done better. It is just frustrating to spend all day reading and writing about coaching and then suddenly be thrown curve ball which doesn't match up to what you would like to do.

By the way I used an "emergency" warm up drill which was in one of the more recent Rugby Coach Newsletters and that worked a treat. So not all bad!

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

didds — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:45:15 GMT

[quote][b]DanC (22/08/2008)[/b][hr]
Just did a session, off the cuff, for a youth team who have a game the next day. Mixed emotions about doing these types of sessions, especially when I was handed the session with about 30 seconds notice and was told about the game after 15 minutes of working on defensive alignments! Some rapid adjustments and then made the best of it.

My self reflection has been working overtime.[/quote]

Well, I think S/R in these circumstances can only in reality concentrate on the positives Dan. Unless you have seriously stuffed up over something, you are onto a hiding to nothing with such sessions. So don't beat yourself up over the session "failing" if that is what you perceive - no chance to prepare, direction required not provided until the session was half way done. And to be honest, what you offered would IME be totally relevant to 99% of youth teams anyway (on the basis they rarely seem to have any defensive alignment!).

MUCH harder (if more S/R work needed) are the sessions which have been carefully planned, possibly as a series of developing themes that go disasterously wrong/fail dismally in the intended delivery.

The GB swimming coaches should in some areas be doing some serious S/R post Olympics (selection tactics & open water swimming tactics in particular).

didds

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:00:03 GMT

Great quote - where is it from...and most interestingly, why does it make sense.

Just did a session, off the cuff, for a youth team who have a game the next day. Mixed emotions about doing these types of sessions, especially when I was handed the session with about 30 seconds notice and was told about the game after 15 minutes of working on defensive alignments! Some rapid adjustments and then made the best of it.

My self reflection has been working overtime.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

KAISER SOZEY — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:57:45 GMT

Just logged on for the first time. Some great topics being discussed. Keep up the good work Dan, just read the Ospreys coaching seminar notes, liked the NO checklist and the listening questionnaire very useful.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Swanie — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:22:34 GMT

Nice one!

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:06:01 GMT

The jargon terms are being explained in the weekly emails (which include about 4/5 other articles and pieces on coaching).

The jargon buster as a whole will be finalised soon.

Cheers

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Swanie — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:47:45 GMT

Dan, when can we expect the jargon buster? :w00t:

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Rainier — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:37:09 GMT

Ahem, when can expect the jargon list, as an ex-prop it will be invaluable!

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

dezh — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:59:08 GMT

Dan

only just discovered the HUDDLE

INTERESTING

LOTS OF POTENTIAL KEEP IT COMING!!!!!!!!

DEZH

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

cjp — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:43:29 GMT

What defence do you prefer/coach with the wrap switch? - For every attack there is a defense! Here are some for the run around and the switch. Not sure if they are quite on the money.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

stevenn77 — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:01:23 GMT

Here are some terms for positions played:

15. Full back
14 / 11. Right / left wing, winger or wing three-quarter
13. Outside centre, centre three-quarter in New Zealand
12. Inside centre, second five-eighths in New Zealand
10. Fly half in England and South Africa, first five-eighths in New Zealand, outside-half or out-half and occasionally in stand-off
9. Scrum half, half back in New Zealand
8. Number 8, sometimes lock in Australia and eighthman in South Africa
7 / 6 . Openside / blidside flanker, right / left flanker, wing forward (an old term), breakaway in Australia
5 / 4. Lock, sometimes known as second row
3 / 1. Tight head / loose head prop
2. Hooker

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Toby — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:39:56 GMT

Here's an example of a "wrap" switch that Dan published on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFsD3rvXV9w

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

cjp — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:55:03 GMT

OUCH!

Reminds me of Adrian Morley on Robbie Kearns in 2003 - sent off after 12 secs of a test. A record!

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Toby — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:11:17 GMT

Can I add "clothes line" and the equivalent "coat hanger"? Or are they technically different "crafts"?

If you haven't seen it, here's Johansson clothes line tackle on Mortlock in the Reds v Brumbies game in this year's Super 14.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zSop6FWsEE&mode=related&search=

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:14:55 GMT

I have done a quick sweep (not jargon) of the terms so far and it seems there are in excess of 150 to write about.

Thanks to everyone so far who has contributed. Some will be easy to define, others I am going to have to venture off into the minds of wizened coaches and players to work out what is going on!

I am working on a cross referencing scheme at the moment.

Others that have sprung to mind are more general, but often used in rugby: aerobic, anaerobic, latic acid, dynamic etc. stretching, Olympic weights, interval training, cross training, carbs, hydration, proteins.

Should I include "slang" like: wheels, gas, boiler room, "the tackle"?

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Jonesy — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:24:44 GMT

How about "BISH" "BASH" and "BOSH"?

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

cjp — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:42:53 GMT

Jargon is not, in and of itself, a bad thing provided those using it take the time to explain. Jargon is just a shorthand and can be found everywhere in many many aspects of life. One uses terms with established meanings to avoid overly long descriptions. "Gain line" is easier than "an imaginary line that can be drawn across the field of play at 90 degrees to the touch lines separating the territories notionally belonging to either team etc..." once everyone in the conversation knows what it means.

Roll on publication of the "jargon buster"!

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

didds — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:12:30 GMT

[quote][b]Walsallwizard (27/06/2007)[/b]
Go on then didds what is the inside shoulder????[/quote]

touche! :-)

[quote]The term "gain line" is not jargon, it is a clearly defined term in many text books and described by many commentators on the game. If I said to almost any seasoned forward "stick it up yer jumper and have a trundle" very few would have an understanding of what I had said but I would know and so would my players. So when you as a Coach "expect them to create a tackle line" I haven't got a clue what you mean I can only hope you would be explaining it.

Out with jargon in with plain simple instruction[/quote]

Totally agree. But that isn't to say that I haven't seen sessions where the coach - with players (s)he doesn't normally coach - uses allegedly universal terms such as gain line, tackle line etc without actually checking that the players do know what those terms mean. They may not be "jargon" - but if people don't know what they mean they may as well be "jargon" - that as you quite correctly say needs to be explained if having first ascertained that the term wasn't understood. One of course hopes that the coach undewrstands what they are of course :-)

didds

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Walsallwizard — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:03:32 GMT

[quote][b]didds (25/06/2007)[/b][hr]a freaky coincidence dan... our colts coach and I were having a similar discussion only last week! We were saying about how we need to share a common vocabulary throughout our club's squads so that players can undwrtand what we mean when coaches blithely use various descriptions.

Its all very wekk us telling an U15 player to attack the inside shoulder - but what IS the inside shoulder? When we say "cross the gain line" do our players actually understand where a gain line is? It is clear that players I speak to do not actually understand what a tackle line is... (or rather where it REALLY is)... so how can we as coaches expect them to ensure that they create a tackle line asfar forwardas they can if they don;t understand what it is?

A top topic!

didds[/quote]

Go on then didds what is the inside shoulder????

I agree with you a common vocabulary is a must

Oh yes I hate jargon which tends to be used by those in the know to keep those who arn't out. The term "gain line" is not jargon, it is a clearly defined term in many text books and described by many commentators on the game. If I said to almost any seasoned forward "stick it up yer jumper and have a trundle" very few would have an understanding of what I had said but I would know and so would my players. So when you as a Coach "expect them to create a tackle line" I haven't got a clue what you mean I can only hope you would be explaining it.

Out with jargon in with plain simple instruction

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Scrumsrus — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:57:22 GMT

This is a huge topic, but a great one, and can be split down into different groups (Which might make it easier to handle).

Position Names
Coaching terms
Basic Moves
Refereeing terms
Commentators phrases / terms

So using that, I have the following off the top of my head:

1. Position Names

Lock / Second Row
Flankers / Wing Forwards / Loosies / Openside & Blindside
N°8 / Eighth man / Loosie
Scrumhalf / Halfback
Fly Half / Stand Off / Out Half / 1st 5/8 / Ten
Inside Centre / 2nd 5/8 / Left Centre
Outside Centre/ Centre / Right Centre / Centre 3/4
Wing / Wing 3/4

2. Coaching Terms

Spine in line
Leg Drive
D
Fast Feet
Hang time
Support
Slide
Overload
Running Lines
Punt
Dummy
Decoy
Running Ruck
Pop
Bump; & Burl; & Slip; & Pop
Visualise

3. Basic Moves

Rangy
M1
M2
Loop
Cut
Miss
Fold
S1
S2
Switch
Cut & Fold

4. Refereeing Terms

Truck & Trailor
Through the Gate
Accidental Offside
Blocking
Shepherding
Boring in
Turning in

5. Commentators phrases / Terms

Red Zone
Squeeze Ball

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

didds — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:30:38 GMT

a freaky coincidence dan... our colts coach and I were having a similar discussion only last week! We were saying about how we need to share a common vocabulary throughout our club's squads so that players can undwrtand what we mean when coaches blithely use various descriptions.

Its all very wekk us telling an U15 player to attack the inside shoulder - but what IS the inside shoulder? When we say "cross the gain line" do our players actually understand where a gain line is? It is clear that players I speak to do not actually understand what a tackle line is... (or rather where it REALLY is)... so how can we as coaches expect them to ensure that they create a tackle line as far forward as they can if they don;t understand what it is?

A top topic!

didds

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

TDRugby — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:08:29 GMT

Hi Dan,

This is a really good idea. The names change but not the purpose. How about ball watching, Minder, Enforcer, Sweep!

Can you guys confirm for me that circle ball is just a good old double round.

Cheers

Terry

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

cjp — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:39:20 GMT

A few more spring to mind - clean ball, quick ball, slow ball, off the top (of the lineout), "numbers", blind side, weak side, short side, open side, strong side, drift, set play, phase play, loose play, open play, drawing the man, draw and give, inside shoulder, outside shoulder, shading. Also, gap naming, not something that is really developed in the game (unlike gridiron) but you do hear "No.10 channel", "No. 12 channel" etc. In and out (as in what wingers do), drop out, gain line, advantage line. In league some call the area behind the ruck the "tight spot" - an important defensive area as if the A defenders head off too soon they can leave a hole - not sure if it has a name in RU. Dummy half, fringes - this could be a big glossary.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:49:36 GMT

Great list Chris. The scrum.com only covers a couple.

I have the pictures from previous Rugby Coach newsletters on unders and overs.

Will start work on it next week. I will compile a list first and see if anyone else has others to contribute.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

cjp — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:42:52 GMT

Great idea Dan!

Have a look at http://www.scrum.com/954_983.php .

A few others that spring to mind and might not be known to those new to the game - overlap, cornerflagging, scissors, switch, loop, miss, turning in (as in front rows), boring in, truck and trailor, ball and all, box kick, out on the full (as in kicking), held up, clearing out, fetcher, clearance, handoff/fend, up-the-jumper, shepherding, blocking, crossing, dominant tackle, rucking (now how many meanings does that have!?) raking (not picking up leaves in autumn!), pop, pod. I am sure there are many more - when you think about it rugy almost have a language all its own!

Interesting also how some go out of fashion - few bar Bill McClaren talk of Garryowens any more.

I have a good explanation of unders and overs as well as some diagrams showing them if needed.

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:58:31 GMT

Luckily know those!

Hedgehogging, farside offload, red zone, gate, four hands

RE: Rugby coaching jargon

Jonesy — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:25:59 GMT

Good one Dan!

How about "piss off", "circle ball" "sack" and an old one "Rany"?

Jonesy

Rugby coaching jargon

DanC — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:47:16 GMT

I am just compiling a list with explanations of the jargon that is used in rugby. Part of the problem with understanding is that different countries use different expressions for the same thing.

Here are a couple of examples (some very simple I know!) that I am going to explain but I would appreciate any others that people have come across:

Jackle, screen pass, loosies, Garryowen, grubber, wiper, block pass, winder, pancake, 1st 5/8, up on 1, slice, unders and overs, cut, route one

Plus I am going to pick up on common words and expressions that are used so much that some players don't know what it really means:

Communication, footwork, fast hands, soft hands, concentrate, grid