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RE: Forward pass?

Tobbe — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:20:16 GMT

I had no idea.

Thank you Didds & Jackal for enlighting me!

RE: Forward pass?

Jackal — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:34:28 GMT

My thoughts exactly. If it leaves the hands flat or any degree backwards its fine. Even I suppose if its a high ball and you go to catch it and hits your hands and goes flat or back and then bounces forward its not forward. its the angle before it hits that counts.;)

RE: Forward pass?

didds — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:30:59 GMT

Law 12 (preamble): EXCEPTION

Bounce forward. If the ball is not thrown forward but it hits a player or the ground and bounces forward, this is not a throw forward

didds

RE: Forward pass?

Tobbe — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:47:52 GMT

What happens then if the ball leaves the passers hands correctly (flat or backwards) then hits the ground and bounces two meters forward?

RE: Forward pass?

didds — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:10:48 GMT

If you thin about it it is the only sensible way.

Consider a player running straight forwards towards the oppo dead ball line at 20 km/hr.

He passes the ball directly backwards over his head at 10 km/hr.

The ball is actually effectively moving towards the dead ball line at 10 km/hr as a consequence (20k/hr - 10 k/hr).

As such anybody catching this pass will be defntion be taking it at a point closer to the oppo dead ball line than where it was released.

BUT - if this momentum is NOT permitted then you will now have to penalise a ball passed directly backwards over a player's head as a forward pass. try explaining that to watchers and players.

Also consider a very windy day with a 20 km/hr wind. Throwing the ball directly towards oppo dead ball line into the wind at 10 km/hr will effectively mean the ball travels away from the oppo dead ball line at 10 km/hr.

As such at some stage of the ball's flight it will now end up behind the point of release where it may be caught. As such unless you accept the "direction from the hands" argument you will now ave to allow a pass that demonstrably was NOT passed backwards.

didds

Forward pass?

Jackal — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:43:39 GMT

When running at pace and passing the ball there is an element of drift..

In the latest Currie Cup game between the Blue Bulls and Western Province(29/8/08) and about 20 mins into the game more or less there is a very interesting call that I learnt a great deal from.
The player was running at pace and passed a long spin pass from 1st centre to the wing - which the opposition players all cried forward pass..the ref allowed play to continue as it was already an advantage to the attacking team from a previous infringement and when play stopped 5m from the try line due to an infringement he then proceeded to go to the TMO (as the latest batch of elv laws now include the TMO referral for any play on the field) and when he asked the TMO he asked " Can you pls check if the ball left the hands going forward or if it was just forward drift?" the player whom had made the pass at pace was hit back in the tackle so the drift was exagerated. On revue the TMO judged that the ball left the hands and did not go forward but did drift forward...play on, scrum to attacking team 5m out. Very interesting, as in the back of my mind I always thought about this subject a great deal..now I know, drift is ok as long as it leaves the hands flat or behind the line.:w00t: