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RE: ELVs - "hooker" in the channel at the lineout

referee — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:25:05 GMT

The player standing in the 5m channel at a lineout can move up to just under 10m from the mark of the lineout and remain 2m from the 5m line

if he stands 10m away he is not deemed to be part of the lineout and cannot move within th e10m until the lineout is over.

RE: ELVs - "hooker" in the channel at the lineout

Gerrymc — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:11:31 GMT

I can't see them letting a winger standing 10m or so back from the lineout count as 'the player in opposition to the thrower', but there is no way this player in opposition can join in the lineout by lifting and then moving back. He has to stay 2 metres away, presumably until the lineout ends.

RE: ELVs - "hooker" in the channel at the lineout

DanC — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:08:54 GMT

Good point. If the front man is not needed from the initial throw, then he should step back into the gap. The only problem comes from the front peel or underarm throw to the front man or the up at 2, throw down to hooker. This seems to be making a comeback for some coaches.

RE: ELVs - "hooker" in the channel at the lineout

hitch — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:22:23 GMT

I have thought about exactly this point and it is my understanding that a winger standing in the channel a good distance back should count as the opposing player as there is no maximum distance. This would give you the option of having your hooker joining the line to lift before dropping out to defend the thrower and the 5m channel.

ELVs - "hooker" in the channel at the lineout

DanC — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:54:44 GMT

Here is a something from the ELVs to ponder

ELV Ruling 3, 2008

August 7, 2008

The FIR has requested a Ruling from the Designated Members with regard to

ELV 19.7 – Forming a lineout.

The letter (f) reads:

(f) Player between touch and five metres. The team not throwing in must have a player standing between the touch line and the 5 – metre line on that team’s side of the line of touch when the lineout is formed. That player must stand at least two metres from the five metres line.

Since the ELV 19.7 (a) reads: “Minimum. At least two players from each team must form a lineout.” And 19.7 (b) reads: “Maximum. There is no restriction to the number of players from each team participating in the lineout. Each team can decide how many players participate in the lineout and there is no requirement for there to be an equal number of participants from each team.”

We believe that the non-throwing team should be allowed to determine whether to field a player between the touchline and the 5-metre line or not, as set out at 19.7 (f), when playing a lineout.

Ruling:

The Designated Members have ruled that 19.7 (f) states that there must be a player in opposition to the player throwing in the ball who must be between the touchline and the 5 metre line and that player must be at least 2 metres from the 5 metre line. The provision 19.7 (f) is in addition to 19.7 (a) and (b).

BUT

How far from the lineout does he need to stand? He could be in the channel 20m away...I think