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RE: ELVs for juniors

kernowrob — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:21:00 GMT

We have just been given a summary from North Mids on the way ELVs apply across our age groups.

I have attached it so you can see what we are supposed to be doing...

I checked continuum too and it appears to have been updated to reflect ELVs but they neglected to do anything so helpful as track/ highlight the changes - I've attached my U11/12's edit that I put together for my own coaches...

RE: ELVs for juniors

DanC — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:08:55 GMT

Steve

There are no "free kick" law changes for this 1st August season unless you are already in competition (e.g. S14 and Air NZ cup). These "free kick" laws will finish in these competitions and revert to 1/8/8 laws at the end of their season.

That is how I understand it.

Dan

RE: ELVs for juniors

steve johnson — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:02:59 GMT

Does anyone have access to the "new free kick" laws? I was a bit slow when watching the Super 14 when I was in Japan. They were being played and commented on, but I didn't take any notes. Anyone know?

Cheers

RE: ELVs for juniors

turbo — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:05:10 GMT

At the moment it is still being deliberated by the powers that be wether or not we will adopt pulling down here in Wales. At the moment however, you are not permitted to pull it down. This is not made clear in any material and had I not attended the forum then I would still be under the impression that it was allowed.

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails and that it is perminantly binned, never to be considered again for kids rugby...;)

RE: ELVs for juniors

Jenko — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:56:33 GMT

The continuum and pathways differ greatly. As I understand it in Wales scrum is uncontested until about U14 wheras we start at U10 in England!

Wales are including the pull down of maul ELV in pathways. RFU have excluded it.

RE: ELVs for juniors

turbo — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:36:19 GMT

Hi Jenko

Under Pathway rules,from u11 upwards the scrumhalf can follow the ball at the put in. I've found over the last couple of seasons that depending where you play (and i'm only talking within Wales) you will get little odd rules that people have pulled out from somewhere ie no shortened line outs, whereas infact you can from u11 upwards.

What a wonderful game

RE: ELVs for juniors

Jenko — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:47:25 GMT

The ELV seminar I attended last night said as long as the scrum half does not move more than 1m from the scrum he is still onside. more than 1m he needs to then retreat the full 5m until the scrum is complete. At u9/u10 the 'defending' SH still stands directly behind the hooker. At u11/12 he can stand at the centre line but still cannot follow the ball. As I understand it.

RE: ELVs for juniors

turbo — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:40:31 GMT

Hi Ferret

My fault, I should have mentioned this is in accordance to Pathways rules (WRU) upto and including u14's cannot pick up.

So it will be interesting to see what they say.:D

RE: ELVs for juniors

Ferret — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:42:38 GMT

Hi Turbo

The RFU U19 variations allow no. 8 to detach from the scrum, provided he is the last man in a 3-4-1 scrum, and immediately picks up the ball.

So that would be the thing to do in the situation where no.9 has retired and can't come back.

But this is no good at U12 or below, where there is not a 3-4-1 scrum. Interested to see what the "powers that be" come up with on this!

Tim

RE: ELVs for juniors

turbo — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:40:53 GMT

Hi Dan

I attended an ELV open evening held by the Blues last night. At the very begining they said that the only law/regulation that is still to be confirmed is the pulling down of the maul for juniors. As it stands at the moment - It is not permitted.

One other thing that came up re scrum/ offside lines. The scrumhalf not putting the ball in has only two options: 1- follow the ball but must remain within 1 metre of the scrum (this can only be done from the side of the scrum that the ball was put in from) or option 2 retire the 5 metres, if however his hooker wins the ball against the head the scrum half is not allowed to return to the hindmost foot. I did point out that in junior rugby this would cause a bit of a problem in so much as no member of the scrum is permitted to pick up the ball from within the scrum. I am awaiting a response and will let you know.

I thought your ELV Matrix was very good by the way:D

RE: ELVs for juniors

TheRugbyDoctor — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:10:36 GMT

Hi Dan

I attended an RFU ELV session last evening aimed at U19 and below where it was stated that at U9 and U10 only the defending side at the scrum must be 5m back. This is a bit ambiguous in the Continuum revisions posted on the RFU Forums but the answer last evening was clear, (based on U9/U10 S/H maybe struggling with a 5m pass...). As you say, the former 7m line becomes 5m though so the ELVs have effectively reduced the space that U9/U10 have to play in from scrums.

Also on S/H positioning at the scrum it was made clear that existing Continuum regulations on where they must stand prevail and effectively nullify the ELV restrictions.

Best

The Rugby Doctor

RE: ELVs for juniors

DanC — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:11:03 GMT

Here is the RFU laws according their edicts. I think I have interpreted them correctly.

RE: ELVs for juniors

DanC — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:48:02 GMT

You are right about u19 RFU and pulling down the maul.

Have done watched a mauling session last night they collasped pretty well on their own without any effort to pull down!

The Osprey document applies to age groups that are ticked.

RE: ELVs for juniors

Ferret — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:40:30 GMT

Sorry Dan, forgive my ignorance - I was under the impression that ELV 3, pulling down the maul, was not being trialled by the RFU at U19 level? (Although I can't now remember where I saw that and it isn't in the RFU ELVs guide) YOur Ospreys guide - very useful - implies that it applies at all contact levels. Am I wrong about this?

Tim

RE: ELVs for juniors

Exile Osprey — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:16:24 GMT

Anyone know when the English continuum will be produced for the different age groups? (probably January!!!)

RE: ELVs for juniors

DanC — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:21:06 GMT

The feedback from the grassroots coaches from South Africa has been very positive towards the ELVs. It only seems to be commentators in the NH who are misunderstanding what is happening (and which ones are coming in).

RE: ELVs for juniors

Red & Black fan — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:04:54 GMT

Thanks for that Dan- keep 'em coming! Seems a pity that there may be so many different versions of rugby with some NH Unions wanting to hand pick ELVs that they perceive will suit them... having coached rugby in N & SH in the last 5yrs, & recently trialled the FULL set of ELVs, I'm all for them... they require us coaches to pull our fingers out & COACH creatively, encourage athleticism in the players & despite all the protestations, STILL allow rugby to be a game for all shapes & sizes- the only difference is that all shapes need to be a tad fitter! :)

ELVs for juniors

DanC — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:49 GMT

Here is a guide I did for the Ospreys (Wales).

At the moment I have not found out chapter and verse from other unions, but will reproduce anything I can in the meantime.