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Posted 19/11/2007 11:43:19
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Hi Paul,

I do not think we are too far apart ideas wise here. As regards the defensive systems issue, yes it can be very finely tuned as per your Wigan example but it can be much more basic as per the U13s RL example I gave. Introducing players to basic defensive structures early can only help.

As regards Gridiron - I do not mean to be nasty to rugby, of either code. Gridiron does get a perfect set up each time, centre field etc. Equally, they face a perfectly set defense each time. However, their plays, certainly the running plays happen so fast it just looks like 1.5s of chaos to the untrained eye. But within that a huge amount of carefully orchestrated activity occurs. Gridiron does not provide any "bolt on" solutions for the RU coach, there are much easier pickings in RL. We have mentioned the little details that can be extracted and in which Gridirion excels. I am sure that careful study of what goes on at the line of scrimmage could benefit RU rucking and mauling. The gridiron blocker looks to achieve very specific ends with his block - I am not sure to what extent players at the elite level look to clear defenders and park them in specific places to help the subsequent play.

However I think the game is worth studying in a more general way. All of these territory based contact sports have similar problems at their core and it can be interesting to see how they are dealt with. Gridiron, like RU, faces the constant threat of the ball being moved forwards by pass and kick respectively as well as the need to defend plays where the ball is run or moved through the hands. The way gridiron deploys multi layered defenses is interesting. How they deal with these threats. In attack, how they deal with a well organised, set defense. This comes back to that scrum half staring at the ball thing. In gridiron, the runner cannot move until the ball is snapped. There are no such restrictions in RU - could we make slow ball ruck or scrum plays snappier and more dynamic? Even just getting runners organised and run timing sorted would be a big step forward - the pop to a static forward who grinds another yard forward is not cutting edge attack. Gridirion looks so different it is easy to dismiss it out of hand - all 3 codes are about getting the football from one end of the field to the other at the end of the day.
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Posted 17/12/2007 14:21:13
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My mistake.  I meant up and out/ drift as the bread and butter of defensive systems.  By the way, I coach in Argentina.
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