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referee (18/11/2008)
The law here is that if the ball is within a metre of the ruck you must remain on your feet to play the ball, presuming you were onside prior to the ball becoming loose.
The intention is to prevent a pile up of bodies. Mr Barnes was correct, but you do see this action not being pinged at times.
i can only remember the pundits talking about the point.
they said that it would have been ok if the falling player had been 3 metres from the ball or breakdown. it was something like that anyway.
i think the confusion was because the ball had slipped out a good way from the ruck.
i can see the intention to stop a pile up, but with stricter ruling on players staying on their feet this need not have applied (in this particular case)
glad we told the boys the right thing
more luck than judgement.
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| The first thing to remember is when does a ruck form. Obviously it is when there is a player from each side in contact over the tackled player and the ball. Players do not even have to be engaged and pushing against each other, if one player is bridging and another is touching him with the tip of his finger, that is contact!! As for the player being pnged for diving on theball, I believe it is simply because he didn't stay on his feet and dived on the ground, had he stayed on his feet and played the ball he should not have been pinged.
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| Fathooker - your definition of a ruck is fundamentally incorrect - to form a ruck there does not need to be a tackled player only a ball on the floor. For example: If player A carried a ball into contact with a defender B and placed the ball directly onto the floor whilst players A & B were still on their feet then this would constitute a ruck and would therefore set up off side lines and all the additional laws that a ruck introduces. The situation described above can be used to buy time for an isolated ball carrier. Food for thought - or discussion. Jonesy
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| While I agree with you on the definition, I'm not sure how the situation you describe could help ... if our man is in contact with the defender, but hasn't been tackled to the ground and is confident of staying on his feet, would it not be better to keep the ball and wait for support for a maul? I can't visualise how in this situation you could "place" the ball on the ground without dropping it (risking it bouncing out, or being kicked away by the defender) or being pushed down with it. I am intrigued though, can you expand at all on how it works? Ferret
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| Attacker runs into defender - grabs defender's as in hand off and places ball which is in the other hand on the ground- attacker protects ball whilst still in contact still on his feet with defender - thus Ruck formed. Similar to squeeze ball but ball carrier is still on his feet in a low strong position. The ball tends to be quick and there is no jackaling possible as the width of the ruck is very narrow and all the off side lines are in place and therefore the defenders all have to retreat. As for its usage - that is for the coach to work out!!
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